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Hotfix 2.5.0.2 Feedback

There are a lot of threads out there already on the new changes, but I wanted to give a central location to point everyone to when they ask me where they can share their thoughts. Now that you have had a few days to play the new changes we want to hear what you experiences have been playing. What do you like? What do you hate? What do you think is good but could be better? What would you change?
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  • I like the special ammo gone by death. Hate sidearms keeping special ammo. Hate Truth nerf. Hate the unprofessional sandbox team. Hate the health regen nerfs. Hate the sniper flinch nerf. Hate skill based matchmaking. Hate how theres no news about Destiny 2. Vault of glass raid and Crota's End raid gear and weapons update to 400 light would be nice. More Vault Space. Iron banner weapon dusty engrams. Buff last word would be nice. Buff Vex Mythoclast too. Reversing every bad nerf which had more negative votes and comments than positive ones. Hardcore youtube players like More Console and Nkuch to be invited to test builds of patches to test and give feedback about revisions to a patch before it goes live. Consider all this and maybe Bungie can save themselves from a sinking ship.

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  • Necesitan ver qué pasa con la aceptación de la comunidad referente al Hotfix 2.5.0.2. Positivos. 1. La precisión de todas las armas al saltar. 2. El daño de las escopetas. 3. La “Mole” del Titán. 4. El golpe del Invoca tormentas. Negativos. 1. Las habilidades regenerativas de todas las subclases y de los exóticos (Muerte Roja y Velo de Apoteosis). 2. El cambio del cargador de 3 a 1 de “La Verdad”. (con 2 estaría mejor) 3. La munición especial en el Crisol Una observación durante las “Pruebas de Osiris” es que el artefacto de “Skorri” propicia que las escuadras se queden en base regenerando la súper, y una vez cargada salen 2 a por la otra escuadra. Para mi punto de vista la “munición especial” no tiene que desaparecer de la mochila en el Crisol, y las “cajas de especial” que no aparezcan a los 60 segundos, sino que una vez que empiece la partida se encuentre disponible la “munición especial” y al tomarla cargar un 70% de ella (las “Pistolas” que no se ajusten a esto), luego vendría la “munición pesada” y luego otra de “munición especial”; en caso de usar la “Improperio” que la munición cargue directamente al cargador como la “Rompehielos”. Como nota aparte. Ya que pagamos por todas las expansiones, me gustaría que las armas del “Rey de los Poseídos” se encontraran disponibles en sus respectivos vendedores “Orbita muerta, Nueva monarquía y Secta de la Guerra Futura”; llegando a esto también hacer posible escoger que parte de “Armadura” (casco, guantes, piernas, pecho), tipo de arma “Primaria, Especial y Pesada” queremos al subir un nivel de facción. Gracias por el tiempo de leer este Post.

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  • [quote] What do you like? Crucible. It utterly felt differentiated from how it was and I kind of like it. What do you hate? How dare you touch Truth! Really bungo? Again with crucible fixing that has repercution over pve?! What do you think is good but could be better? Vendor weapons. I sense the roll on vendor weapons barely change nor change at all. Every arms day make the vendor weapons to roll its elemental burn or their parks. Even better add the old faction weapons to the packages, the fulcrum, new monarchy rocket launcher? Plz? What would you change? About PvE, how about a strike system were you can choose the modifiers, like choosing from all the "advantage modifiers" like small arms, elemental burns and so against the "disadvantage modifiers" like juggler, exposure and so. Meaning for every advantage you want is mandatory to choose a disadvantage. Who chooses the modifiers? Best connection to destiny server maybe? Idk it will make the strikes more enjoyable and you can use the weapons you like the most and have the modifiers to suit 'em. [/quote]

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  • Modificato da Knowie: 2/22/2017 9:21:04 PM
    Cosmo, I've been in this game ever since dark below so I haven't experienced everything in the game and I'm really concerned in how this game is spiraling out of control. What you guys did with this patch was appalling and frankly this was the worst patch I've ever seen. You buffed things, thank god. But you nerfed more than you buffed which isn't right! You're suppose to do this process backwards, more buffs and less nerfs. It's disappointing to see how this game is being treated by you guys now. Bungie, you've lost the trust of me and so many other players with this patch. The reason is that with this patch you've single-handedly shown us that you guys are incapable of balancing your own game. And Cozmo, did you not have any say during these 5 months. The last time you talked to us about balancing the crucible was back in November and ever since you've never communicated with us on whether you were successful or not in trying to revert the crucible back to year one. There is nothing wrong with the game, it's the company's fault for neglecting and abusing it for their own selfish needs. Bungie, to help save this game you need to completely change your sandbox team, put people like Datto, planet destiny, and other destiny content creators with huge influence and also add pve players into the mix as to balance it out a bit. And you need to get rid of Jeff, I'm sorry but his excuses for needing bladedancer and quickdraw were the excuses of a 12 year old who doesn't know how to play the game. And you also need to communicate so much more with the player base, talking to us about ideas you have on how to balance can give you insight on whether or not we want those changes. Going ahead and changing everything just because someone doesn't like it makes no sense and show extremely irresponsibility. Improve on these aspects and maybe destiny will survive to the end. Thank you for reading, have wonderful day :)

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  • The one thing this whole weapon balance whatever you call it did right, was have this huge primary usage in crucible, which I haven't seen in a long time. Hurray. Other than that everything is pretty much gone to shrimp, or a different version of the shrimp before the update. Complaints are as follows: -Primary usage increased, however it was [b]forced[/b] because everyone's secondaries were stripped of their ammo. -People that use long-range primaries (like the Lydumila-D, the gun I use) are at a heavy disadvantage now because people are switching to the new meta of infinite sidearm ammo. Good job bungie! Trials is now the most balanced it's ever been. -You said you'd address exotics, and man I was excited. Too bad you all crushed my dreams by nerfing all of them for no apparent reason. Twice nerfing the already useless Astrocyte Verse? Nice! I've come up with two examples of exotics that I thought would be a great way to make them, you know, exotic. Like scrap the perk for Immolation Fists and give'em the intrinsic perk of extending the duration and strength of sunspots and the overshield to player. Or scrap the perk for the Knucklehead Radar and give'em the ability to increase the effectiveness of swarms. Go figure out how. -You claimed in past weekly updates that you've been spending a lot of time gathering data and other generic terms. It's pretty bull-shovik that you now claim that the whole "we broke all of the regen things on accident, but we want to see how you play it and we're now fixing it the way we want to" is happening. That's great, now I know you guys don't listen to us and instead the streamers and YouTubers that just use the meta. There might be some other things, but I think this comment will suffice in some truth bombs about the awesome things bungie is doing. Destiny is a great game because of its variety in customization player wise (still waiting for the option to change my face, I'm hideous), too bad all of it is locked behind insurmountable imbalance and a seemingly toxic community that cries for one thing, and the developer changes something else.

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  • Shotguns are useless now you bums and sidearms are pathetic!

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  • I hate all of it.

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  • I don't like it.

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  • What do you like? I don't just like I love the special ammo changes I've been through every meta in this game since year one, this one provides passive gameplay but it requires a smarter mentality, no headless rushers and less warriors with shotguns What do you hate? I wouldn't say hate but currently dislike at the moment, that is the amount of in air accuracy hunters have with golden gun, every hunter uses bones with their load out (most) but I feel like jumping in the air twice then snapping on to a target is one of the easiest things to do as a super in the game it also has an unbelievable amount of range and it beats all supers, not sure what can be done to maybe tone it down a bit maybe smaller hit boxes not sure. What do you think is good but could be better? Something that many don't agree with is the health recovery perks hungering blade, suros etc. I feel like just bumping it up with more amount of health earned would be a little more viable. Instead of going back to what it was completely What would you change? Something I would change would be the spawning it could probably be only me but many times after this patch I've been respawning in areas where there is at least 4 of the enemy team on the same side as me/near me rather than re spawning near team mates. The playlist is clash, it could possibly be because of teammates overextending then dying but it happens very unfortunate

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  • Modificato da DoleBananas: 2/22/2017 10:50:00 PM
    I haven't played the game for a very long time, but I can definitely say the handcannons I enjoyed using feel more useful in PvP. They also feel way more useless in PvE. I like the special ammo change, but I don't like the changes made to shotguns. It feels like you traded shotgun dominance for sidearm dominance. The lack of precision damage hurts PvE and a 20% damage increase doesn't really help when you're lacking the bonus from cleaningly putting buckshot onto something's head. What about a Gunslinger with precision kill bonuses? It felt rewarding to headshot something with a shotgun, and that just got ripped away. I can't say I dig it. I'm not sure about the health regen thing, either. It hurt the Red Death I had and while the gun felt good, it didn't feel obscenely powerful. Likewise, I had moved away from using Blink on my Hunter before the patch, but now I think I'm never going to go back. I don't know. I haven't played the game for a long time, I really just started when the PS4 Pro came out, but I definitely see how a number of people think the game is getting its PvE component destroyed for PvP. The problem is, though, that it just seems like you guys rotated out the main offender, rather than achieved balance, and hurt a long list of things on the way that weren't really in a spot to put people completely off, while damaging the other major component of the game.

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  • This game is more dead than it already was

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  • I'm on Xbox and when I go to party chat it kicks me from my fireteam

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    • Coconut errors everywhere please fix this.Thanks

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    • Guys seriously need to start buffing stuff. Instead of tweaking things down to match inferior things....tweaks things up to match the superior things.

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      • What happened to the roots of bungie remember halo? Halo didn't have a meta or if you don't use this gun you can't compete I remember just about every halo weapon had a time place and purpose but now alotttttttttttt of weapons are completely useless and huddled in a corner desperate for attention. bungie you used to have a damned brain when it came to balance but now it seems that everything that gets cried about from the "community" i.e. Pro players YouTubers streamers devs remember when halo was the way it was and you dealt with it learned it and played it even though "omg the energy sword is just too overpowered" or whatever opinion you had can't you guys just -blam!-ing being everything up to par and leave it or if you're going to change it at least be sensible I'm criticizing you guys because I care about destiny and I want it to be a great game again #makebungiegreatagain btw I like the new halos 4-5 by 343 still miss you guys making my childhood game though

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        • Hey Cozmo, I'm really disapointed what the patch did to dmg of Handcannon's in PvE. I'm a big fatebringer fan. After a lot of grinding post year one I got a fatebringer role on my Imago loop. One of my top 5 moments in Destiny! It's bin my go to weapon from that moment. After the patch it was off somehow. I started testing, every arc. type and most perks (explosive rounds included). I found that the dmg fall off (I suspect due to a glitch) is extreme. I'm not talking about cross map shooting but a close range. Even with max range Hc's the dmg reduction is still bizar! This means that not only can Hc's no longer compeed with any other gun types, but also that all non range perks on Hc's can't be used any more deu to the even more extreem dmg fall off. Think Hc with autorifle type dmg. And to be clear I am talking about close range shooting! Content or no new content, I still loved to play with my Fatebringer. Now it's just no fun any more. So my question; Is it a glitch? (If it is) Are you going to fix it and restore fun to PvE? (If not a glitch) Wy has there bin chosen to do this?

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        • I have no real complaints about the hotfix asides from how every self heal mechanic got brutally -blam!-ed up. My voidwalker is depressed thanks to you Cozmo. The only things I really miss (since I've been playing since the beta on my friends account then got the game myself in year 1) are the elemental primaries (praedyths timepiece was the shit) and being able to reroll guns at the gunsmith. Please bring back this mechanic. Most players don't use their legendary marks as much so they pile up for no good reason. Please bring back the reroll option. Make it cost something like 25 marks per roll with a max of something like 1 or 2 tries per day. Killing elemental primaries made the game so much less fun. Especially since the strangers rifle even looks like it LITERALLY SHOOTS ARC! All of the old raid guns also got destroyed. It makes the old raids worthless for anything but nostalgia (which nobody cares about. If you're on a raid you're on it for the gear.) TL;DR: Please fix the self heal nerf, please bring back elemental primaries (even if it's just reworking it onto exotics), and please please please bring back the reroll mechanic. P.S. In the future please stop punishing us PvE users with PvP based updates. It sucks.

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        • For the last year destiny has not left my xbox. It is literally the first game that I haven't gotten bored with and have hungered to get awesome new gear and have fun with my buds. Unfortunately this patch has really messed with the balance that I felt we had in the crucible before. Please stop trying to make the game perfect. If there is a glitch that is ruining the community's experience then I understand. Add new content.... add new weapons.... add new characters.... add new maps. Please stop messing with what you have already done a fabulous job with. Not every weapon is good in the crucible... AND IT'S OK. WE ARE OK WITH KNOWING THAT SOME WEAPONS OR ABILITIES SUCK IN CRUCIBLE. That's why raid weapons are good for the raid. Please get rid of the patch. It's not fun

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        • Stop predicting what is going to be op and/ or bad. Also please stop trying to make destiny the most balanced game there is because you clearly can't do that. Nobody deserves to wait 6 months for a patch.

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        • Game's a -blam!-ing mess right now. There's my feedback.

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        • Well pretty much did in shotguns. No ammo on revive and if you find a chest you get 4 rounds and your shotgun isn't even loaded. Sidearms, guess that is now the thing to have until opps using it too much so lets nerf that too. Said along time ago. Set it in PVP that there is only one primary, one special and one heavy weapon that everybody uses. Go ahead it can be a God roll on them all but everybody has the same thing. No supers for anybody. Or just nerf all guardians down to a ball of clay where nothing happens, now that would be equal. Yeah I hate hunters and the seemingly impossible to stop arc blade. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight unless it is arc blade then for some reason it is unstoppable. The stormcallers are tough too except when I use it then seems that I can get killed right away. Of course can be amazing too how many times I can get killed when I'm behind cover, but I guess some players have around the corner bullets. But hay keep nerfing and pretty soon you won't have a game anymore. Oh a sideline issue, why aren't boundy item completions ranking up equipment items like they used too? Probably yet another nerf.

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        • Astrocyte verse give extended blink range and radar

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        • Alot of complaining going on. My honest thoughts, Its way more balanced at the moment. I will admit, sidearm ammo is a little over the top. Worth maybe dropping back to original ammo after each death. Other than that, I think its great. I'm rarely killed by sidearms. They are good to use, but easily countered with some negative space. I feel like I'm more often rewarded for my shot accuracy.

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            • Modificato da Black_Widow503: 2/22/2017 11:42:55 AM
              I don't know if you guys are seeing a repeating pattern here but a lot of people preferred Year 1 pvp and year 1 pve exclusivity. You had raids for pve exclusivity and good gear in year 1 with elemental primaries. That was one of the best ideas IMO. The raids and nightfalls were for hardcore pve gamers. Then you had strikes and patrols for the casual pve gamer. Then for pvp, you had casual players in the crucible, which wasn't light enabled. For the hardcore pvpers you had a light enabled mode, Iron Banner. Which in my opinion should have stayed as the end game mode and gear/loot for pvp. Now here's Trials of Osiris that sticks out like a sore thumb in Destiny's super casual game. Then you locked loot behind this super exclusive mode that people have created a black market off of. Paid Carries and account recoveries? Why do you still allow this travesty to exist Bungie? *sarcasm*Do you have a side business going on we don't know about? *sarcasm* No I don't think you should get rid of Trials but implement a system in D2 where everyone can play it. Make it accessible to everyone. Don't tell me "It was absolutely not intended for normal players to make it to the lighthouse" So you made Trials especially for MLG players custom made for them to play in and enjoy themselves? Are casual gamers just supposed to go into this mode to be cannon fodder for MLG players and streamers? Whether that's a ranked and unranked playlist, or a Trials freelance mode where everyone can play it to have fun who paid for it too and not play it to "get gud scrub". The locked gear is what has made paid carries the problem. The loot in a loot driven game, who would have thunk it! Which direction do you want to go Bungie? I bought a finished game in year 1 that I didn't expect I would still be used as a beta player for it 3 years later. Like wtf? Do you want a casual game or competitive game? You need to decide for D2 because that's the last chance a lot of us are giving you. Figure it out for goodness sakes!

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              • Hello Cozmo, English is not my first language... sorry if some things might come out weird (>.=) I love Destiny... In the game since the end of year one...the game in which I have invested the most hours on, in my life. A lot of joy, fun and friends that I will never forget. Bungie has created an extraordinary game, which over time has grown into something that maybe you had not in mind for it to be... a game that is still loved by many for what it is...or what it use to be I should say (even with all it's flaws). Unfortunately, however, a parent needs to learn not to meddle with the child loved by all, only to satisfy their desires. In other words... STOP pushing this child around trying so hard to make it what it isn't and will never be. Back to the point. In my opinion , having Bungie no longer a clue on what to do with this game they have now entered a Doctor Frankenstine experimental fase where everything goes... break the game to it's core, reassemble it, and see what happens... will it be good?! Will it be bad?! Who cares let's just try... I just don't get it... you have a great game, why are you trying to destroy it? You wish for players to stop using a subclass ... Remove it. Because it makes no sense to use a subclass which was decent (attention to the term DECENT...not OP), without the two perks that made it such. (Dancing blade) ... i'm specifying just because with this update you have messed things up so much on subclasses that you might have trouble understanding which I'm talking about otherwise. Have you tried to test it in a PVE environment? One gets annihilated by slaves! SLAVES!!! Ripping you apart wile in Super ...it's just sad. PVP: two guardians or more shooting at you, and your done... no point in using a roaming super over a shutdown super (NOVA- FIST or even GUN), to get 1 kill, and then be blasted into oblivion by whoever is left standing wright next to you (probably with a side arm). the best part is that I'm not a hunter base user...I'm a Warlock! Since I don't have much energy to spend, and it would take me a 3 hour lecture on all the things that have been messed up badly in this patch I'l just proceed in an orderly way of (good and bad). Subclasses: MY OPINION Blade Dancer- Bad - Very Bad ( what you might ask?!) all of it!.... Void Walker - life steal ( Very Bad-unacceptable) mistake or not. the most balanced subclass is now unbalanced! Congrats.... Storm Caller- hand distance (Good), sad but necessary........ Landfall ( unnecessary - ininfluent ) no serious player useless it instead of teleportation..... Titan - head strong ( Necessary - Good) all other nerds on life support perks on all Titan Classes ( BAD) mistake or not. Weapon: Primeries.......... Autorifles - Alleluia!!! ONE YEAR I had to wait to see them usable again! (VERY GOOD) Pulse- Malok, Clever (Necessary- God knows it was necessary!) sad considering how long I farmed for a decent one......... Hand Cannons- (Good) the base distance is still not good enough considering the lack of snipers nowadays. but the acquisition is finally on spot................. Special Weapons: >_< (Special weapon crates nerf and re-spown). It's the most infuriating rage inducing solution Bungie has ever cum up with. It is not a solution to anyones complaints, it's just a vary lame, unprofessional, and sad way to solve/not solve the FACT that Primeries are too inefficient in killing time when confronted with any special weapon. This is in no way what players asked for. And I'm not going to even start on how some of the weapon nerfs have rendered some of thees weapons unusable in PVE, otherwise I could get very frustrated. anyway................ SHOT GUNS: All high impact/ low rate of fire nerfs (Very Good- Necessary- Thank You) They have become cause of players aneurisms in the crucible for what has seemed an eternity. ..... Same Nerfs on: LOW rate of fire shotguns ( Unnecessary- unacceptable- have you ever played this game kind of level?!) no one has ever even considered the use of thees for a very long time now (unless they had anything else to use). Useless then, now completely unworthy of even existing in the game... just put them out of their misery and delete them from the game...... Snipers: What can I say... they seem to be gone... it is quite a shame since it at least it was the only secondary that required some skill to use... anyway RIP. ( pleas do use the grace of not naming NO Land and Icebreaker) we all know some still try with those......... Fusion RIF : (VERY BAD- VERY VERY BAD- FAIL) I don't know what fusions ever did to BUNGIE, but bungie is out for them, I dint think there could be a way to make them less usable than they were before. cue to you bungie... the joke is on me, I was wrong. they practically vanished both in PVE and PVP. That was no easy task, but you succeed................ Side Arms: (untouched)...wich by the way is VERY GOOD... by default, made them the only usable weapon in crucible... they now deserve the title of undisputed champion of the crucible. It is now unecessary to even look at what killed you in short to medium quarters, since we all know that its one of 3 sidearms... which I'm not going to name, God forbid Bungie decides to nerf them straight into the ground too. .............And now the best of the best of the new patch!!! EXOTICS!!!! Even After receiving a PROMISES from Bungie that our hard earned weapons would not be rendered useless, hear we are..........Weapons: RED DEATH: It's exotic perk is no more (I have no level of Bad-very Bad, which is low enough for this). it's a FAIL on all the line... the weapon already belongs to the worst pulse category, and now it's completely useless... what else is there to say... except FIX IT ASSAP !!!............ Suros REGIMEN: small Buff ( VERY GOOD), no more life support...( Incomprehensibly BAD)...... HockMoon: ( thank you for making this weapon usable again).... First Curse: (untouched) It's just toooooo slow to be competitive... you get demolished by any sidearm, any day of the week if you try to fight back with it... especially in short to mid ranges, where a hand cannon should shine... Ok let's cut to the chase.........TRUTH : ( NO BAD BEOND level). Why? Just why??? What passed though Bungies mind when they decided without asking the community to nerf TRUTH into the realm of unusable!!! IT just makes no sense to the point of being dumb. I mean was truth good... yes of course it is... its an EXOTIC... in crucible heavy amo are insignificant now days, and in pVE there is better than Truth.. so why? Please don't say because of Osiris, because if you killed the weapon for that, the it's the moment I quit this game for good... JUST FIX IT BACK. Moving toward conclusion.............EXOTIC ARMORS....Ram: nerfed, since it gives no more life ( BAD- Unexeptab)....... OfidianAspect: (Necessary) sad very sad, but necessary.......... Astrocyteverse: Dose Bungie still remember that there is an exotic out there that has been broken for something like 7 or more months? FIX THE Helmet already!!! IT's the best looking gear... and it's broken!!!........Anyway if this goes on I could stay hear for hours complaining on how many ways this patch ruined the game... just FIX IT..........FAST....

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