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Yeah, I've scaled my play way back this season. Everything feels like it's falling apart in this game. Everybody's cheesing everything. Nobody does full raids anymore to have fun. They CP farm for one weapon. Warlocks new solar identity is add clear, and non warlock mains keep gunking up the conversation like it's not that, but it is. The seasonal challenges feel so much worse than they ever have. 100 rounds of containment, open 100 chests, kill 100 people in crucible. The "get two resets to unlock ornaments" is awful to do. Woot, I get to lose 5 consecutive Gambit games getting add kills with *checks notes* trace rifles? Uuugggghhhhhh. When I LFG for actually hard activities, CP farmers treat me like a streamer raffle and want a free carry through it despite not knowing ANY of the mechanics except in the one encounter they farm. Like, it's a master raid, you should be a master at it before attempting one. I've made it a mission to get to 1000 full raid clears (I'm in the 920s right now) and then likely retire myself. Master raids aren't fun (everyone I've talked to wants the old system back where we have permanent challenges, weekly challenges, and a flawless run). I've done 2 seals that require master raids and I've been as high as top 360 in speed ranking, I have nothing left to prove in terms of being a good player. The only reason I've stuck around this long is because the storytelling got better on a season by season basis, but even this season is yet another "daddy issues" story arc. First Ana Bray with Zavala (Warmind dlc), then Elsie with Clovis Bray (beyond Light), and now Caitl with Calus. Like ffs, would that writer please go to therapy for their own sake and ours? I'm so sick and tired of "daddy man bad" storylines. I've been playing other games and the communities around those games are so much nicer than this one. I'm a noob in FF14, and like 99% of players are chill while I figure the game out. In D2, a similarly experienced player would be told to get gud and they should appreciate being hard carried but never taught anything or that they deserve to be mowed down in PvP. Like, tbh, I hate it here. The people suck, the stories are just projections of the writer's personal problems, and every rework has madey class less fun to play, to a point where I'm constantly asked why I play warlock when Hunter/titan are so much better. 1000 raids, and then I'm outta here.
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  • You think 1000 raids makes you good LOL? Why not win 1000 gambit matches while you’re at it. You’ve done less than 50 GMs, none solo, and you call yourself good? Any solo flawless dungeons? Hope so for someone who claims to be really good. You complain about seasonal challenges being boring. I don’t do them unless they get done somehow by accident. Soloing gms and dungeons is where the real challenge is at I find, and it’s what keeps me playing. If doing 1000 raids will make you happy, do it, but doesn’t sound like it will. Challenge yourself to do other harder things. But don’t tell me this community isn’t good, it’s great. You just haven’t met the right people. All my 50 plus friends are super nice, look harder. Or quit, as you wish.

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  • [quote]You think 1000 raids makes you good LOL? Why not win 1000 gambit matches while you’re at it. You’ve done less than 50 GMs, none solo, and you call yourself good? Any solo flawless dungeons? Hope so for someone who claims to be really good. You complain about seasonal challenges being boring. I don’t do them unless they get done somehow by accident. Soloing gms and dungeons is where the real challenge is at I find, and it’s what keeps me playing. If doing 1000 raids will make you happy, do it, but doesn’t sound like it will. Challenge yourself to do other harder things. But don’t tell me this community isn’t good, it’s great. You just haven’t met the right people. All my 50 plus friends are super nice, look harder. Or quit, as you wish.[/quote] Lmao what in the "I can't say get gud cuz this guy is obviously good so I'm gonna go with cherry picking gatekeeping instead" is this response? I have done a solo flawless dungeon. They're not that hard, you don't have a timer for any of them. I'm also in the top 1.5% of Gambit players this season. In fact, the only stats where I'm below average is my crucible win% which is actually RNG and not skill. Get out of here dude. Lol.

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  • And you’re bad at GMs. Dude, if I’m not that good, you aren’t either. This is a game, stop telling people how good you are at it, it doesn’t matter. Nobody cares how many raids you’ve done, absolutely nobody cares how good you are at Gambit(lmfao), and nobody cares if you quit the game. Get over yourself.

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  • Edited by AbsolutZeroGI: 7/18/2022 5:06:14 PM
    [quote]And you’re bad at GMs. Dude, if I’m not that good, you aren’t either. This is a game, stop telling people how good you are at it, it doesn’t matter. Nobody cares how many raids you’ve done, absolutely nobody cares how good you are at Gambit(lmfao), and nobody cares if you quit the game. Get over yourself.[/quote] You are a grade A joke. 1st comment "Get gud at Gambit cuz it's a challenge" Next comment "Nobody cares how good you are at Gambit" Then don't bring it up next time. You're the one talking about Gambit. I use GMs for resources and I don't have to complete many to get what I want from them. I'll bet you CP farm. You seem like the type. You're just salty cuz you called me out on something and was entirely wrong about it. Take the L and move on.

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  • You sir are an toxic buffoon

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  • You really think my Gambit comment was for real? Gambit = watching grass grow. Look, I don’t cp farm, cause I don’t raid anymore. If you had looked up my raid stats, it would be pretty clear. I think raids are extra long strikes. Not hard in the slightest, other than finding enough players who can understand your preferred language, and who can shoot and communicate at the same time. Master raids, harder I guess, cudos for that. Just a sec, first time through, raids are hard enough though, I admit(if you don’t kwtd already). Day one is the most fun, and that’s the only time I’ll do it. Like day one of Duality, we tried it master while being light level 1568, that was VERY hard, harder than lightblade. You like raids, great. Doesn’t mean you very good at the game. Those who are good are on YouTube and twitch and stuff like that. Low man raids, solo dungeon/gm speedruns, they are really good. We are above average. That’s it.

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  • Umm, might wanna raid report me dude.

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  • Edited by rednayeL: 7/18/2022 5:39:32 PM
    Like I said dude, raids are easy. Nightfall report me if you want. But to be clear, I believe you, and I believe you are better than average. Don’t you have day one vow emblem?

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  • That's gatekeeping nonsense. You just think the activity you do is the hardest one. I've low manned raids, I've solo'd dungeons, and if I gave a crap, I could easily solo a GM. I can do whatever I want in this game. You continuously mistake lack of motivation for lack of skill, and it's irritating. Have a nice day.

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  • One last thing. Put your money where your mouth is. You have the conqueror title, go solo proving grounds gm. I’ve come very close to doing it solo. You say it’s easy. Go do it. Then come back and tell me it’s easy again.

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  • You’ve low man a few raids. Pretty good guess. After 100 clears, guess you have to gain some skill. Like I said, you like raids, great for you. I don’t like them, I like gms. I just question when someone says they are good but don’t do ANY gms. Strange. But what do I know? And why should you care? Really?

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  • I used to jump in random LFG groups looking for a DSC teacher (my actual career is in teaching) so I’m right there with you. I had many a cool Sunday afternoon play sessions teaching that raid and having newbies get Eyes before me 🤷‍♂️. But it became more and more just completely nonchalant people that didn’t want to learn and that poisoned the well so to speak.

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  • Those are young players, the new generation is like that.

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  • Edited by AbsolutZeroGI: 7/17/2022 11:21:11 PM
    [quote]I used to jump in random LFG groups looking for a DSC teacher (my actual career is in teaching) so I’m right there with you. I had many a cool Sunday afternoon play sessions teaching that raid and having newbies get Eyes before me 🤷‍♂️. But it became more and more just completely nonchalant people that didn’t want to learn and that poisoned the well so to speak.[/quote] Back in the day (before beyond light) I'd do "no experience necessary" postings in LFG all the time. But the same thing happened to me as happened to you, so I don't do them anymore.

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  • I mean after 1000 completions of anything in gaming, how could your satisfaction remain the same as your first. That must be close to 10,000 hours of raiding including the failed attempts! The community IN-GAME are all nice from my 7 years of Destiny. If you base your assessment of the community by the few that go online on forums to rant and complain, it's easy to see why your outlook is skewed.

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  • Edited by AbsolutZeroGI: 7/17/2022 8:46:40 PM
    [quote]I mean after 1000 completions of anything in gaming, how could your satisfaction remain the same as your first. That must be close to 10,000 hours of raiding including the failed attempts! The community IN-GAME are all nice from my 7 years of Destiny. If you base your assessment of the community by the few that go online on forums to rant and complain, it's easy to see why your outlook is skewed.[/quote] I'm not trying to ego you here, but this is a matter of experience. I have done roughly as many sherpa runs as you've done full raids. And, unlike many, I teach every encounter and I make the sherpa do mechanics. You are more than welcome to raid report me with a calculator and add em up. I am not saying you're a bad player or a bad person, but I can tell you, definitively, that teaching someone a raid right now is an entirely different experience than it was 3 years ago. 3 years ago, they'd be down to learn, have some pride in learning, and they wanted to be good at raids. Now? I'll explain it the same way I always have (map familiarity, mechanics (what we're all doing and why), and then their specific role and how to do it). But by the 2nd encounter, they start complaining, like "just tell me what to equip and let me clear adds" The audacity. They're basically asking me to carry them through it and have no interest in learning the mechanics, which is not what I do. Part of being able to do a raid 900 times and still enjoy it is the feeling of accomplishment that I'm contributing, which is now being robbed from me. When I'd teach a raid back then, they'd get all excited for their first clear and immediately wanted to do another one to learn the other mechanics. Now? It's "Shut up and do the stuff, I just want loot" Having my last shred of enjoyment ripped away from me like that is why I plan to get to 1k and quit. 1k is an accomplishment in and of itself, but much like turning 21 years old, it's the last exciting one until you die. Nobody wants to be good at the game. They just want to get the stuff as fast as possible and be done with it. It's a different culture than it used to be. That's my perspective. You may disagree, and if you've never run into that, good on you, but I LFG quite a bit and I see the posts every time I play. "Need CP for farm" "Looking to do first *insert raid, GM, or dungeon name here*, please carry me" "Never been flawless, please carry me" Etc When my D2 friends ask me to help their friends, it's always a "he/she is a PvP main so it's gonna be a carry". It's exhausting dude, and it's not worth it anymore. I never cared who I taught as long as they wanted to learn. Now it's "carry me through VoG so I can get a fatebringer". Literally had a clan member ask that last night. Game's falling apart and this new way of playing isn't for me.

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  • [quote][quote]I mean after 1000 completions of anything in gaming, how could your satisfaction remain the same as your first. That must be close to 10,000 hours of raiding including the failed attempts! The community IN-GAME are all nice from my 7 years of Destiny. If you base your assessment of the community by the few that go online on forums to rant and complain, it's easy to see why your outlook is skewed.[/quote] I'm not trying to ego you here, but this is a matter of experience. I have done roughly as many sherpa runs as you've done full raids. And, unlike many, I teach every encounter and I make the sherpa do mechanics. You are more than welcome to raid report me with a calculator and add em up. I am not saying you're a bad player or a bad person, but I can tell you, definitively, that teaching someone a raid right now is an entirely different experience than it was 3 years ago. 3 years ago, they'd be down to learn, have some pride in learning, and they wanted to be good at raids. Now? I'll explain it the same way I always have (map familiarity, mechanics (what we're all doing and why), and then their specific role and how to do it). But by the 2nd encounter, they start complaining, like "just tell me what to equip and let me clear adds" The audacity. They're basically asking me to carry them through it and have no interest in learning the mechanics, which is not what I do. Part of being able to do a raid 900 times and still enjoy it is the feeling of accomplishment that I'm contributing, which is now being robbed from me. When I'd teach a raid back then, they'd get all excited for their first clear and immediately wanted to do another one to learn the other mechanics. Now? It's "Shut up and do the stuff, I just want loot" Having my last shred of enjoyment ripped away from me like that is why I plan to get to 1k and quit. 1k is an accomplishment in and of itself, but much like turning 21 years old, it's the last exciting one until you die. Nobody wants to be good at the game. They just want to get the stuff as fast as possible and be done with it. It's a different culture than it used to be. That's my perspective. You may disagree, and if you've never run into that, good on you, but I LFG quite a bit and I see the posts every time I play. "Need CP for farm" "Looking to do first *insert raid, GM, or dungeon name here*, please carry me" "Never been flawless, please carry me" Etc When my D2 friends ask me to help their friends, it's always a "he/she is a PvP main so it's gonna be a carry". It's exhausting dude, and it's not worth it anymore. I never cared who I taught as long as they wanted to learn. Now it's "carry me through VoG so I can get a fatebringer". Literally had a clan member ask that last night. Game's falling apart and this new way of playing isn't for me.[/quote] You know, you shouldn't be carrying anyone through raids. You shouldn't be doing all the work, they should be pulling their load, or you won't help them. The way I see it, you're a GrandMaster at raids, teaching raids (Think of master Yoda in Star Wars! He was a Grandmaster in the force. He only was willing to train them if they wanted to become Jedi by doing what needed to be done in their training). So, to put another way, you're taking on too much (doing it all) when you shouldn't have to. You have to lay down some ground rules, be courteous, of course, but stand your ground on them carrying the load with you. Because right now you seem to be burnt out. Get to your 1K number, then take a good break from it. Don't stop doing raids (if you enjoy them) or teaching them master Yoda-, er master raider lol. If they don't want to do their part, don't do it. Don't let a few or a lot of these people discourage you.

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  • [quote][quote][quote]I mean after 1000 completions of anything in gaming, how could your satisfaction remain the same as your first. That must be close to 10,000 hours of raiding including the failed attempts! The community IN-GAME are all nice from my 7 years of Destiny. If you base your assessment of the community by the few that go online on forums to rant and complain, it's easy to see why your outlook is skewed.[/quote] I'm not trying to ego you here, but this is a matter of experience. I have done roughly as many sherpa runs as you've done full raids. And, unlike many, I teach every encounter and I make the sherpa do mechanics. You are more than welcome to raid report me with a calculator and add em up. I am not saying you're a bad player or a bad person, but I can tell you, definitively, that teaching someone a raid right now is an entirely different experience than it was 3 years ago. 3 years ago, they'd be down to learn, have some pride in learning, and they wanted to be good at raids. Now? I'll explain it the same way I always have (map familiarity, mechanics (what we're all doing and why), and then their specific role and how to do it). But by the 2nd encounter, they start complaining, like "just tell me what to equip and let me clear adds" The audacity. They're basically asking me to carry them through it and have no interest in learning the mechanics, which is not what I do. Part of being able to do a raid 900 times and still enjoy it is the feeling of accomplishment that I'm contributing, which is now being robbed from me. When I'd teach a raid back then, they'd get all excited for their first clear and immediately wanted to do another one to learn the other mechanics. Now? It's "Shut up and do the stuff, I just want loot" Having my last shred of enjoyment ripped away from me like that is why I plan to get to 1k and quit. 1k is an accomplishment in and of itself, but much like turning 21 years old, it's the last exciting one until you die. Nobody wants to be good at the game. They just want to get the stuff as fast as possible and be done with it. It's a different culture than it used to be. That's my perspective. You may disagree, and if you've never run into that, good on you, but I LFG quite a bit and I see the posts every time I play. "Need CP for farm" "Looking to do first *insert raid, GM, or dungeon name here*, please carry me" "Never been flawless, please carry me" Etc When my D2 friends ask me to help their friends, it's always a "he/she is a PvP main so it's gonna be a carry". It's exhausting dude, and it's not worth it anymore. I never cared who I taught as long as they wanted to learn. Now it's "carry me through VoG so I can get a fatebringer". Literally had a clan member ask that last night. Game's falling apart and this new way of playing isn't for me.[/quote] You know, you shouldn't be carrying anyone through raids. You shouldn't be doing all the work, they should be pulling their load, or you won't help them. The way I see it, you're a GrandMaster at raids, teaching raids (Think of master Yoda in Star Wars! He was a Grandmaster in the force. He only was willing to train them if they wanted to become Jedi by doing what needed to be done in their training). So, to put another way, you're taking on too much (doing it all) when you shouldn't have to. You have to lay down some ground rules, be courteous, of course, but stand your ground on them carrying the load with you. Because right now you seem to be burnt out. Get to your 1K number, then take a good break from it. Don't stop doing raids (if you enjoy them) or teaching them master Yoda-, er master raider lol. If they don't want to do their part, don't do it. Don't let a few or a lot of these people discourage you.[/quote] Oh, I don't even invite those kinds of people to my fireteam. That's the boundary I place. The issue I run into is that there are more of those kinds of people than there are those who actually want to learn and do the raid, to a point where posting LFGs takes 30-60 minutes just to find a few people. I got down to just over 360 in global speed rank tonight, though, and it was a lot of fun. But, stuff like this is getting fewer and further between, and it's not because I'm out of stuff to do. It's because fewer people play like this anymore.

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  • [quote][quote][quote][quote]I mean after 1000 completions of anything in gaming, how could your satisfaction remain the same as your first. That must be close to 10,000 hours of raiding including the failed attempts! The community IN-GAME are all nice from my 7 years of Destiny. If you base your assessment of the community by the few that go online on forums to rant and complain, it's easy to see why your outlook is skewed.[/quote] I'm not trying to ego you here, but this is a matter of experience. I have done roughly as many sherpa runs as you've done full raids. And, unlike many, I teach every encounter and I make the sherpa do mechanics. You are more than welcome to raid report me with a calculator and add em up. I am not saying you're a bad player or a bad person, but I can tell you, definitively, that teaching someone a raid right now is an entirely different experience than it was 3 years ago. 3 years ago, they'd be down to learn, have some pride in learning, and they wanted to be good at raids. Now? I'll explain it the same way I always have (map familiarity, mechanics (what we're all doing and why), and then their specific role and how to do it). But by the 2nd encounter, they start complaining, like "just tell me what to equip and let me clear adds" The audacity. They're basically asking me to carry them through it and have no interest in learning the mechanics, which is not what I do. Part of being able to do a raid 900 times and still enjoy it is the feeling of accomplishment that I'm contributing, which is now being robbed from me. When I'd teach a raid back then, they'd get all excited for their first clear and immediately wanted to do another one to learn the other mechanics. Now? It's "Shut up and do the stuff, I just want loot" Having my last shred of enjoyment ripped away from me like that is why I plan to get to 1k and quit. 1k is an accomplishment in and of itself, but much like turning 21 years old, it's the last exciting one until you die. Nobody wants to be good at the game. They just want to get the stuff as fast as possible and be done with it. It's a different culture than it used to be. That's my perspective. You may disagree, and if you've never run into that, good on you, but I LFG quite a bit and I see the posts every time I play. "Need CP for farm" "Looking to do first *insert raid, GM, or dungeon name here*, please carry me" "Never been flawless, please carry me" Etc When my D2 friends ask me to help their friends, it's always a "he/she is a PvP main so it's gonna be a carry". It's exhausting dude, and it's not worth it anymore. I never cared who I taught as long as they wanted to learn. Now it's "carry me through VoG so I can get a fatebringer". Literally had a clan member ask that last night. Game's falling apart and this new way of playing isn't for me.[/quote] You know, you shouldn't be carrying anyone through raids. You shouldn't be doing all the work, they should be pulling their load, or you won't help them. The way I see it, you're a GrandMaster at raids, teaching raids (Think of master Yoda in Star Wars! He was a Grandmaster in the force. He only was willing to train them if they wanted to become Jedi by doing what needed to be done in their training). So, to put another way, you're taking on too much (doing it all) when you shouldn't have to. You have to lay down some ground rules, be courteous, of course, but stand your ground on them carrying the load with you. Because right now you seem to be burnt out. Get to your 1K number, then take a good break from it. Don't stop doing raids (if you enjoy them) or teaching them master Yoda-, er master raider lol. If they don't want to do their part, don't do it. Don't let a few or a lot of these people discourage you.[/quote] Oh, I don't even invite those kinds of people to my fireteam. That's the boundary I place. The issue I run into is that there are more of those kinds of people than there are those who actually want to learn and do the raid, to a point where posting LFGs takes 30-60 minutes just to find a few people. I got down to just over 360 in global speed rank tonight, though, and it was a lot of fun. But, stuff like this is getting fewer and further between, and it's not because I'm out of stuff to do. It's because fewer people play like this anymore.[/quote] Well that's my point, just don't people in except if they want to learn. It's all your call, you're the GrandMaster, you call the shots. Take some of those days/nights off that are slow nights and try some other games. Take breaks in between training raids, mix it up, so you don't fully burn out. Don't forget to help yourself too. 😄😄

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  • Almost of all my raid completes are LFG'd with randoms. Their has been players that just 'add control' since D1, it is not a new concept. There are new players that DO want to learn, and then there's players that need to be pushed to learn. I know the feeling of losing excitement over raiding, but that is only made worse by letting others' approach at learning raids by simplified. Maybe tell them stories of how you failed at first while learning the mechanics, I bet half the reason they choose add duty is for the fear of failing or looking foolish. But I hope you do hit your 1K raids and return for next months raid. And then of course the next DLC raid.

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  • Edited by AbsolutZeroGI: 7/17/2022 10:32:16 PM
    I mean, maybe lol. I have paid up through the next DLC so I'd likely log in for a few hours a week to do the story, but I'm kinda done with seasonal challenges and very close to being done with raiding. I've done a metric ton of LFG raids, and even LFGing is harder than it used to be. I never had a problem getting a prestige Levi together, but it took 3 hours to get a group together for master vow that wasn't CP farmers waiting to grab a checkpoint. It was awful. But, my enjoyment stemmed from two main places. The first is teaching as I get to kinda mooch off of that first clear energy that my learners used to have. The second is challenges and speed. I topped out at about 550 on the speed rank leaderboards and I've done flawless, duo, trio, etc clears. Hell, I once did a duo GoS final boss with nothing but actium war rig titans with sweet business for DPS. Pretty sure that's a "first and only" accomplishment. https://youtu.be/S29N118k4Fc But, people don't speed farm Vow, and I've done about as well I care to do in the other raids. So that's kinda run its course. Finding a group to do a flawless DSC is surprisingly hard. It's just a mess. For now, I'm making do by helping a few clan mates get their descendent titles (I teach them to do the challenges and the other 3 of us just help out) after I helped about 8 people get their Enlightened and Descendent titles last year and earlier this year. That's satisfying in its own way, but people don't really wanna do seals anymore either unless it's Vow or VoG, and I hate doing master raids (although I have helped 3 people get every Fatebreaker challenge). It's too much grinding just to help out 4 runs. I dunno, I'm just rambling now, but originally, everybody wanted to learn how to raid, it was just hard finding teachers. Now, people just want their loot so they can bounce to the next FOMO activity, don't even care to ever come back. The D2 I played is dead. The new one sucks lol.

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  • 300 Iron Banner objectives. Kills don't count. Assists Don't Count. Revives Don't Count (I've checked after every match) So unless you got brass hanging low and grab/dunk the Spark, you aren't getting anything.

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