Oh boohoo.
Thundercrash kills anything within 15 meters of impact and so does nova.
And sentinel shield throw has very high tracking.
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1. Those 2 are fairly easy to dodge from far away, and generally can't clear an entire half the map. For example on javelin-4 if you jump off the balcony in the right place you can get both main spawns with a blade barrage. 2. Being killed by those 2 almost always requires being damaged by the entire super, and blade barrage only requires 1/10th, and that being generous. 3. I also think maybe the tracking on sentinel should be nerfed, or maybe the throw should do less damage if it bounces off of a wall or something
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Blade barrage only tracks up to 30 meters. And ANY part of nova and crash kill you. Even the most outside part of the blast. Its a super. Expect to be killed by it.
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I do. I don't like being in the highest resilience super with an over shield and getting killed by one knife.
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Except that cant happen. In bubble the titan has effective 750 health. 1 blade does 250 damage. So you might have seen 1 blade but it most likely was 3 at the same time.
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Edited by Bore: 7/15/2022 5:32:11 PM[quote]1. Those 2 are fairly easy to dodge from far away, and generally can't clear an entire half the map. For example on javelin-4 if you jump off the balcony in the right place you can get both main spawns with a blade barrage. 2. Being killed by those 2 almost always requires being damaged by the entire super, and blade barrage only requires 1/10th, and that being generous. 3. I also think maybe the tracking on sentinel should be nerfed, or maybe the throw should do less damage if it bounces off of a wall or something[/quote] 1. Easy to dodge? Yeah… no. 2. What? I’m genuinely confused if you actually think this is a valid point, lol. Thundercrash can only damage you with the impact and the explosion. And nova bomb has two different after effects depending on the version. They’re both AoE and will damage anything within their radius. 3. No.
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Easy to dodge from far away? You'd have to be bad at the game to say no. Yes, my point is that things that instantly wipe a team are almost always a concentrated attack, but barrage isn't. Nova bomb can't wipe an entire sniper lane if everyone is spread out, barrage can easily, and instantly And I'm trying to be consistent, so I said nerf sentinel because if I'm advocating for the nerf of OP tracking, then I'm advocating for the nerf of OP tracking
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[quote]Easy to dodge from far away? You'd have to be bad at the game to say no. Yes, my point is that things that instantly wipe a team are almost always a concentrated attack, but barrage isn't. Nova bomb can't wipe an entire sniper lane if everyone is spread out, barrage can easily, and instantly And I'm trying to be consistent, so I said nerf sentinel because if I'm advocating for the nerf of OP tracking, then I'm advocating for the nerf of OP tracking[/quote] You’re not dodging a thundercrash bud. Not even a contest which super is better, lol. Blade barrage doesn’t have much better range than nova. Nova bomb is a far more consistent super, especially if targets are close to you. If you spread out your blade barrage, you’re not likely to hit much.
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I've used my barricade to not get killed by Thundercrash before. Successfully. And with the aspect that gives it more projectiles and better target acquisition its actually very easy to hit multiple people on both sides of you. Plus shards of galanor, on a super with an already fairly short cooldown. No one needs to use a shutdown that many times, when the people they need to shutdown don't get supers nearly that often
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[quote]I've used my barricade to not get killed by Thundercrash before. Successfully. And with the aspect that gives it more projectiles and better target acquisition its actually very easy to hit multiple people on both sides of you. Plus shards of galanor, on a super with an already fairly short cooldown. No one needs to use a shutdown that many times, when the people they need to shutdown don't get supers nearly that often[/quote] Thundercrash goes through barricades… And no, you’re not going to be consistently killing people spread out with blade barrage. On controller you can barely turn in super. No one is using shards.
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I've literally clipped it before, so if I can find it I'll link it to you somehow. And they only way you aren't looking around fast enough is if you're sensitivity is 4. I've seen people use shards in trials. Regardless of its rarity, people use it
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[quote]I've literally clipped it before, so if I can find it I'll link it to you somehow. And they only way you aren't looking around fast enough is if you're sensitivity is 4. I've seen people use shards in trials. Regardless of its rarity, people use it[/quote] Go into a private match and have a friend thundercrash you. You will die. The only thing capable of blocking a thundercrash is middle tree arcstrider. No one is running shards of galanor in pvp.
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I think you are misunderstanding. I used my barricade to block the explosion damage while the Titan was on the opposite side of the barricade of me. The barricade was destroyed, but I was still alive. It's the equivalent of using a barricade to avoid getting damaged by a boss's stomp mechanic, which I also do And I'm going to stop arguing the other point, because you are blatantly and provably wrong, it cannot be a fact that 100 percent of people have never used shards in crucible, when I have before and I have faced people that did. They only equip them when they plan to use the super, but they still use it.
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Edited by Bore: 7/15/2022 7:20:07 PM[quote]I think you are misunderstanding. I used my barricade to block the explosion damage while the Titan was on the opposite side of the barricade of me. The barricade was destroyed, but I was still alive. It's the equivalent of using a barricade to avoid getting damaged by a boss's stomp mechanic, which I also do And I'm going to stop arguing the other point, because you are blatantly and provably wrong, it cannot be a fact that 100 percent of people have never used shards in crucible, when I have before and I have faced people that did. They only equip them when they plan to use the super, but they still use it.[/quote] Thundercrash will go straight through the barricade. You will not be able to block it. You can easily test this. The number of people using shards in pvp is so minuscule that there might as well be no one using it. It gives you zero benefit in pvp, especially in trials.
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If you can no longer block the damage they changed something, because it was admittedly a while ago. Either way it happened, and if it's easily testable then test it and show me the results.
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[quote]If you can no longer block the damage they changed something, because it was admittedly a while ago. Either way it happened, and if it's easily testable then test it and show me the results.[/quote] [url=https://imgur.com/a/GaEZluq]Decided to test blade barrage too.[/url]
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[quote]If you can no longer block the damage they changed something, because it was admittedly a while ago. Either way it happened, and if it's easily testable then test it and show me the results.[/quote] They haven’t changed either barricade or thundercrash. Your player goes right through it like normal. It’ll take 2 minutes to test. I’ll attack a video when I’m done.
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Ok. I'm just saying he didn't go through the barricade to try and kill me, the barricade was a wall between us
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[quote]Ok. I'm just saying he didn't go through the barricade to try and kill me, the barricade was a wall between us[/quote] Well yeah, barricade blocks every AOE unless there’s a gap. Thundercrash can go through it unlike every other super.
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Thank you. I'm saying I used barricade to prevent myself from dying from a thundercrash. Something I cannot do with blade barrage, as even one knife can destroy it and kill anyone behind it. That's why blade barrage is OP. Because I get render entire super moot, but some guy can kill me through it with 1/12 of his super from across the map
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[quote]Thank you. I'm saying I used barricade to prevent myself from dying from a thundercrash. Something I cannot do with blade barrage, as even one knife can destroy it and kill anyone behind it. That's why blade barrage is OP. Because I get render entire super moot, but some guy can kill me through it with 1/12 of his super from across the map[/quote] No, barricade blocks blade barrage. I literally clipped it in the attacked link. Barricade also blocks nova bomb, though the suck and seekers can kill afterwards.
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I don't see a link except for the one that's a chart, and if it's the chart you are referring to, I have know I idea what I'm looking at tbh. Anyways we have extremely different experiences with blade barrage if you can survive it
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Edited by Bore: 7/15/2022 8:19:42 PM[quote]I don't see a link except for the one that's a chart, and if it's the chart you are referring to, I have know I idea what I'm looking at tbh. Anyways we have extremely different experiences with blade barrage if you can survive it[/quote] [quote][url=https://imgur.com/a/GaEZluq]Decided to test blade barrage too.[/url] [/quote] Yes, you can survive it.
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Must be the light difference in trials or something that I'm not taking into account then. Anyways, IMO every other point I've made has been valid, so I'm still standing my ground on nerf blade barrage
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Edited by Bore: 7/15/2022 8:47:04 PM[quote]Must be the light difference in trials or something that I'm not taking into account then. Anyways, IMO every other point I've made has been valid, so I'm still standing my ground on nerf blade barrage[/quote] Barricade isn’t affected by light level. It always has the same health. You can block every instant cast super except for thundercrash (assuming the person using it is going for you). You don’t have any points. The one about number of knives is irrelevant considering both nova and thundercrash deal equal damage anywhere in their radius. Bit different than requiring direct hits with the knifes, but not by much. The one about being able to spread it sounds like it’s coming from someone who hasn’t used it. Unless you’re in M&K, you’re not able to turn yourself quick enough to actually land it. Trying to do so often cusses you to miss both targets. Blade barrage is an insta cast super and acts like one. I get that you’re dying to it more than the others, but that’s too be expected when we’re in a solar 3.0 season. You can look forward to all the arcstaff a next season.
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I'm not saying my barricade is affected by light level, but my health compared to other people's damage output is. The guy in the video was still damaged, and was a pretty healthy distance away from the barricade. I guess we have different opinions on the issue regarding turning fast while casting And I disagree that I'm being killed by a super. I'm being killed by 1/12 of a super from anywhere and almost completely unavoidably, with enhanced tracking