The darkness is a neutral force the witness is using it for evil to wipe out the traveler and has full control of the pyramid fleet
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Do you think we’ll see the winnower in final shape -
The Winnower is shapeless, it's a fundamental force of reality (Basically it's Death itself), the Gardener being the inverse of it, giver of life, creator of existence, expansion of it One is the goddess of creation, the other the goddess of death. Think of the Black Garden as Eden and the great Tree of Silver Wings as said tree of Eden, the Garden itself (made real in our reality after they had their little fight there which destroyed the Tree and created time, space, reality and life) would be by definition Heaven (although now in a decrepit state ever since they both left, but at least the Vex are trying what they can to keep it looking nice)
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[quote]Do you think we’ll see the winnower in final shape[/quote] The Winnower has no shape, it is the inverse of what the Gardener/Traveler represents (being expansion of existence, life, etc) The final shape being the last remaining "existence" then becoming a part of the nothingness, to become time and reality itself Think of it like a star becoming a black hole turning the universe and everything in it, inside out through the black hole. The Nine for example are one such beings that are made up of dark matter, they can't take shape (and can't speak either) thus instead tried as best they could to figure out how to attempt to at least create something in their image (it took em a few tries), an emissary, which is Xür, to speak to us since they themselves can't (which also is why the emissary of the Nine is also only there to act as the intermediate man in the middle)