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originally posted in: THE WINNOWER IS NOT THE WITNESS
7/9/2022 3:38:38 PM
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For all we know, the Traveler is the Winnower & we are the bad guys after all. Have you ever shot at a random Fallen Vandal, just doing his routine as usual, & questioned it? Of course you haven't, because then what would be the point of playing right? We can't progress our ranks or bounties, because it requires the Guardian to kill. No kills = no loot. If you think about it, Guardians are no better than the Hive. Spawn into the Cosmodrome & you'll see Kinderguardians having the time of their lives killing Fallen...🤣
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  • You mean the Fallen that invaded our planet, ate our children and tried to commit genocide against us multiple times? Not exactly the picture of innocence there. Weird how you give them a free pass on that stuff. How are Guardians be as bad as the Hive? How many solar systems have we [i]invaded[/i]? None How many civilizations have we wiped out? None Did we instigate any of the current hostilities? No We kill people who invaded our home and are trying to kill our people and/or wipe out the entire cosmos. That you think that makes us equal to the Hive is amazingly ignorant.

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  • Sure, sure, but how many innocent people did light bearers kill in the Dark Ages? Plenty. As I said, some Guardians/light bearers are no better than the Hive, when it comes to ending a life just for the sport or inconvinience of it. Corruption & temptation transpires in both. Only, light bearers have a choice: become a champion of humanity or become death itself. The Hive don't. The Fallen earned humanity's hatred, but even Saint-14 realised that he was no better than the Fallen when he started killing "innocent" Fallen without question. Sure, the argument is there. Light bearers kill to protect, but what about those light bearers who enjoy the slaughter?

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  • “Sure sure”, that why you went from calling “the Guardian” as bad as the Hive to calling just the Warlords? Going from the savior of the cosmos to the worst Lightbearers to ever exist. Yeah, just shrug that L off why don’t ya. How many have the Hive killed? Cause I can tell ya, lot more then the Warlords. Warlords didn’t wipe out more then 300+ civilizations. Warlords killed maybe tens of thousands, Dark Ages wasn’t exactly brimming with people. Coming off a near genocide. A small example of bad behavior to paint the whole as evil. Hive have a choice. They aren’t mind controlled. They have a civilization built on slaughter. It’s a choice As for Saint, his campaign is likely why the Fallen never had a chance to mount another massive attack. Not only did he kill a bunch of fighters but by going after non-fighters he culled their future numbers. May be horrible but it ensured the survival of his species without stepping into genocide territory. Which was treating them better then they were treating us. This notion that you can condemn someone or a group of people because your own isn’t perfect is asinine. People aren’t perfect, that’s why degrees matter. Ignoring that is laughable.

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  • I’ll take it one step further and say that not only are we not the instigators but given Season of Splicer and Chosen, we embrace those who either are truly desperate or ask forgiveness unlike most every faction we face.

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  • Yup and the Hive kill anyone trying to make Allie’s because it’s a sign of weakness. Savathun killed Oryx and the Ammonites for it. And that was before they knew about throneworlds. She tried to permakill her own sibling for it Our Guardian made alliances with enemies. I tell ya, Don’t know where this argument comes from lol As always, good to see you King!

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  • Always a pleasure, even when we disagree it’s a cheery ole time!

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