JavaScript is required to use Bungie.net

Forums

originally posted in: THE WINNOWER IS NOT THE WITNESS
7/8/2022 11:28:06 PM
8
3
EverlastingRed0
EverlastingRed0

Going on hiatus to slay Heartless old

[quote]And neither is the traveler the Gardener. It’s a representation of the 2 sides of Paracausality.[/quote] I agree. Whenever the Witness speaks, it is in plurals. (“I is said as “we”). Its syntax is also veeeeery formal. The Darkness is different. It speaks so casually you wonder if its just a human elevated to another state of mind. This is similar to how the darkness infused ogre speaks to Oryx after he made the Tablets of Ruin. That then sparks the question, did Oryx serve the Darkness or the Witness AFTER he became Oryx (meaning when he began to Take and his named changed from Auryx)
English

Posting in language:

 

Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Oryx served both. When compared to old lore and the og narrative, the Witness was likely the original Darkness baddie. The addition of the Winnower changed things. Lore-wise The Winnower becomes almost entirely hands off, outside of talking to Oryx. So it never shows itself in the material plane or does anything. Becoming almost as hands off as the Gardner. I noticed how the Gardner gets a gender pronoun but the Winnower doesn’t. It’s just “it”. But the female formed Veiled statue emits Darkness energy… I’m thinking they are the same. Kind of like a two faced god.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • 1
    EverlastingRed0
    EverlastingRed0

    Going on hiatus to slay Heartless - old

    [quote]Oryx served both. When compared to old lore and the og narrative, the Witness was likely the original Darkness baddie. The addition of the Winnower changed things. Lore-wise The Winnower becomes almost entirely hands off, outside of talking to Oryx. So it never shows itself in the material plane or does anything. Becoming almost as hands off as the Gardner. I noticed how the Gardner gets a gender pronoun but the Winnower doesn’t. It’s just “it”. But the female formed Veiled statue emits Darkness energy… I’m thinking they are the same. Kind of like a two faced god.[/quote] Huh. Never realized the Gardener was a she. The two faced god makes sense. You know, I wonder if Oryx was almost equal to the Winnower because after he learned to take the Winnower spoke to him…or at least more powerful than the Witness.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Old D1 lore from Rasputin talking about the Collapse referred to the Traveler as she and the attacking Darkness as IT. Don’t think much else made a gendered reference until Unveiling. Likely due to them not being sure what direction the story was going. From what I’ve heard, the Witnesses power to move worlds is a higher tiered power that Taking is based on. So it’s like Oryx was second string, power wise. Philosophy wise, I’m not sure the Winnower approves of the Witness. It praised Oryx as its champion much like we are the Gardners. The Witness and Rhulk talking about ending everything doesn’t adhere to the Final Shape. Something is supposed to merit surviving according to the Sword Logic. It’s like the Witness took it to the extreme. Might be why it questioned whether or not it would survive to be the Final Shape. But that’s what happens when you teach might makes right. It can bite you in the end.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Keep in mind that the “Darkness” attacking during the collapse was the Witness and its black fleet, so it makes sense that Rasputin would call it, well IT haha. The Witness controls the black fleet, but it is definitely defiant to the will of the Winnower given that it wants to just end everything. Why wouldn’t the Winnower step in? As you said, the Winnower is pretty hands off and probably knows the witness will be toppled by something higher in the food chain (us lol). Given the stature of the veiled woman that is always raised above all else in the pyramids, I’d say the gender of the Winnower is female. It would kinda make sense in a “Gemini” sort of way; Twin Goddesses. Who knows, we got that seven sisters shader, maybe there’s like five more out there somewhere hahaha. <— more joke than speculation but who knows, right?

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • I can only think of three reasons why it wouldn’t interfere. Either it wants to win the Wager using pawns to prove its right fair n square, something prevents it or it doesn’t want to risk dying. Seven sisters, myth wise relates to Avalon. King Arthur stuff. The dude who made Ghost in the Shell made a live action movie about it. Cult classic, questioning reality due to vr being so life life. Could be something, the story doesn’t end with the Dark and Light. So they got to come up with something original lol

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • There’s a theory floating around that the Darkness is us but from another universe or time or something (I can’t quite remember), because of the sheer amount of familiarity it uses when talking to us.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • You talking Eldrich Theory?

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Yes. scary how similar the light/dark in this is to the light/dark in ffxiv

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

You are not allowed to view this content.
;
preload icon
preload icon
preload icon