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11/13/2025 8:25:35 PM
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That's awesome! The storytelling telling that Doctor Who has is quite "fantastic". The David Tenant era is my favorite era and is going to kick up a notch. [spoiler](That being said, avoid "Love and Monsters" worst episode of all time not including the new era)[/spoiler]
Episode six "Dalek" was my favorite with the 9th Doctor, just loved the interaction between the two. "You would make a good Dalek" was such a killer line.
But to answer your question I'd stop two series into the Matt Smith era because the writing just plummets and as it progresses into the Peter Capaldri era it just gets worse and worse. It's honestly very easy to know when to stop because you'll just hit an episode and that's just it, it will not get better. Unfortunately...
That being said you're in for a fun ride!
And keep us informed where you are at in the series, Id love to talk about something I actually enjoy and I don't want to spoil anything for you.
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Love & Monsters wasn’t that bad. It certainly wasn’t the best episode ever, but I liked it more than New Earth and Impossible Planet/Satain Pit*. I actually thought it was pretty neat to see an adventure from the perspective of a regular dude, and the whole losing & regaining sight of what’s important is a fun plotline. Plus, I think it did a better job than Impossible Planet/Satan Pit at the “ragtag team getting picked off one by one”, because this group had more personality to them. Even if it came through in a montage. [spoiler]*I watch these episodes before bed, and for whatever reason I was extra tired when I watched The Impossible Planet, so I’m not sure I actually registered its plot in full. Half asleep brain no work. While Satan Pit did not face this problem, it may have just not had the proper buildup due to my brain being dead during Impossible Planet. I’m curious what I’ll think during a rewatch. Though I also don’t like that they didn’t properly rectify the Ood. There was one line at the beginning saying “slaves are wrong”, and a line at the end where the captain acknowledged their sacrifice, but 90% of both episodes was okay with them just being lesser lifeforms.[/spoiler]
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OH MY GOD SOMEONE ELSE BESIDES ME DIDN'T LIKE SATAN PIT! I'M NOT ALONE ANYMORE! Yeah I fully agree their handling of the Ood was very poor and very out of character for The Doctor. Future Contained Minimal Spoiler [spoiler]The Writers also agreed with that sentiment so they do rectify it in the next appearance of the Ood which is quite brilliant[/spoiler] The final speech of The Doctor is pretty awesome but I'm quite convinced that is all people remember from those two episodes because the rest of it was not very good.
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Oh, look at that, the Whittaker Collection. Looks like it was there, just [i]waaay[/i] further down the list. Guess I’ll get to see if you’re right about it being garbage, then! :p I mean, eventually. I’m still on Tennant. [spoiler]Downside is I was looking for The Amazing World of Gumball, which disappeared from the storefront. And I found it, but the page was blank… Didn’t want to risk buying something and not getting the episodes. Hopefully it’ll be back to normal when I try it again later. Wanted to add it to my rotation of shows I listen to at work. >.>[/spoiler]
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Yeah, everyone should make their own conclusion. Props to you for giving it a shot in the future. I don't have any disdain for Jodie or anything like that, it really just came down to the writing for me. It was a wasted opportunity with the first female Doctor, cool in concept but terribly executed. And it's sad they never gave her any opportunity to truly shine and make the Doctor her own character. [spoiler]I've only seen seasons 1-4 and really enjoyed them. I remember their jokes being especially clever and the animation style I enjoyed a lot. I'm a massive supporter of physical Media so definitely worth a buy. [/spoiler]
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Yeah, even if I end up disliking it, chances are I'll probably be glad to have given it a chance. It's rare for something to be [i]so[/i] awful I'd wished I'd never seen it. Worst case scenario, on a rewatch I just cut it out. I'll certainly let you know what I think when I get there, though. I'll probably make a new thread for each Doctor, assuming people don't get fed up with it. :p [spoiler]Oh, yeah, Gumball is one of the funniest shows I've ever seen, and it stays good all the way up through Season 12. I heard they're making a Season 13, but I haven't seen anything about it, and Season 12 was a pretty definitive ending, so I'm not sure what they'll do with that. Thankfully, it did fix itself, and I bought it. Unfortunately, I kinda have to buy it digitally. While I also support physical media, the reason I'm buying it is to listen to it while I'm at work (got a list of shows I put on rotation in the background. Helps keep me focused), and as you might imagine, I don't exactly have a DVD player at work! Plus, I used to watch DVDs on my laptop, but unfortunately laptops nowadays don't come with DVD players, even the expensive ones. : /[/spoiler]
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I mean, I don't [i]dislike[/i] Satan Pit, but yeah, I also don't particularly like it. It's, just, like, fine. Satan is a pretty boring villain, the Ood were treated by the narrative as less important than humans, and while the idea of the Doctor losing the TARDIS and being stranded on a hostile planet is fun, they just kinda don't do anything with it? Nine times out of ten the TARDIS isn't really part of the plot anyway, so the Doctor not having access to it didn't feel any different than how it just fades into the background of most other episodes anyway. All of the characters also just sort of blended together. The bit where the Beast points out all their insecurities was fun, but, like, again, nothing came out of it. The Doctor pretty much just said "don't worry about it!" and that was the end of it. Plus, if they wanted to use Satan as a villain, they really should've had him trying to tempt people to do terrible things instead of just straight up possessing the one dude. Like, the show itself even says that Satan's true power is temptation, and yet he doesn't do that at all during the episode.
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[quote](That being said, avoid "Love and Monsters" worst episode of all time not including the new era)[/quote] [quote]But to answer your question I'd stop two series into the Matt Smith era because the writing just plummets and as it progresses into the Peter Capaldri era it just gets worse and worse.[/quote] I purchased it all in advance, and I'll see it through to the end, baby! :D Besides, I've enjoyed plenty of media that is generally regarded as "bad", so I usually like to give it a chance regardless. Also, I think you misunderstood, I wasn't asking a question. I was telling you what I am watching, not asking what I should watch. I did notice when I was looking into Whittaker that it had a lot of bad reviews, but most of them were just "women is bad", so it's hard to really take them seriously. :p Yeah, Dalek was a good one. I really loved the scene at the end with the whole "What about you, Doctor? What are you turning into?" bit. It was a nice flip on the head where the Dalek was showing mercy while the Doctor wasn't. Granted, it probably would've been more impactful if that wasn't the very first time I'd seen a Dalek, but that's besides the point! [quote]And keep us informed where you are at in the series, Id love to talk about something I actually enjoy and I don't want to spoil anything for you.[/quote] I might. That's what I [i]was[/i] going to do with Sailor Moon, but it felt like people got a little annoyed by the second post, but Doctor Who is a more popular show, I think, so we'll see!
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Edited by Strawberry Pop-Tart: 11/14/2025 1:15:40 AMOh my bad, Peter Capaldri is a great actor and really does give it his all so there is enjoyment in his performance but there is only so much you can do when the script and plot are just.... Yeah you'll see for yourself. In regards to the Whittaker era it's not bad because "bad cause women", it's bad because it's absolutely terrible in nearly every regard. It's actually quite disappointing in Whittaker being the first female Doctor because they don't actually do anything meaningful with it. That could have been an intriguing story opportunity but they did nothing with it and just ended up being a waste of storytelling.
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Yeah, but you also think Luke in Episode 8 is bad writing, but I liked that, so we’ll see. :p I also find it hard to take reviews seriously that say something is “bad in every way”, because even my least favorite pices of media have [i]some[/i] good aspects to them, even if I hated them overall. When a given review is just saying something is bad with no redeemable qualities, I find the problem is usually with the review over the actual media. I’m not saying either of these apply to you, but most often I find it boils down to: A. They obsess over one flaw and let it ruin the entire thing. Non coincidentally this one usually comes from the “keep politics out of my media” people, and anyone who says that just doesn’t know how media works. B. They’re judging the media based on what they want it to be, rather than accepting it for what it is. This is especially common with sequels & reboots. Obviously I can’t speak for the show itself, though. I haven’t seen it. If I’m not sick of the show by the end of Copaldi, and iTunes straightens out its store listing, though, then I might.
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Later has arrived! As I was saying... Just because a movie/media [b]wants[/b] me to feel or think a certain way doesn't mean I will. For an example just take a look at John Walker from the Falcon and Winter Soldier TV show. There's a moment in the show where John ends up killing someone and the TV show wants you to know what he did was bad. But the more you end up dissecting that moment the more you realize he wasn't in the wrong. The show wants you to think he murdered someone in cold blood, not only does it tell us this but the way the moment is shot and the music, the blood getting on the shield, it wants you to think and feel a certain way. But that's just not the reality of the situation. (I can further explain the specifics if necessary... damn just normal conversations are just better to discuss things this takes forever to write out!!!) Additionally, the Show wants you to dislike him and think he's not a very good person. This is evident by how our two main protagonists treat and react to him. The problem? John Walker is just a good person straight up! (Once again, I can give specifics if needed)[spoiler]Sidenote: Dude has three medal of honors, the writers gave him this feat without even realizing how incredibly spectacular for a thing to occur and how much that actually infers on his character. [/spoiler] My point? If a film wants me to think or feel a certain way then it should achieve it via it's content. I'm not going to think or feel a certain way because that's what the film wants me to do.
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I see what you're saying, and to an extent, I would say you're correct. However, not entirely. First, in your favor, it is important to be able to analyze a given piece of media and what it's saying beyond just how it's framed. Keeping in theme, part of the reason why the MCU sucks is because so much of it is based around this surface level framing, while the deeper plot threads are just very shallow. It is, also, an important skill to have in nonfiction settings, where being manipulated via emotions alone is often how terrible people manage to amass followings. Being able to see through that surface level charisma and get a glance at the truth underneath is an important skill... [i]However![/i] As I mentioned, the main purpose of any given piece of media is to make us feel things, and it's important, I think, to let yourself get caught up in the moment every now and then. Some media isn't meant to be deep, it's just meant to make you feel, and that's okay. And, I wouldn't discredit the amount of effort that goes into making a scene emotional. Recently, I've been playing Little Goody Two Shoes, and the plot is fairly straightforward. I could literally sum it up in a sentence. But, a lot of the charm of the game comes from just how thoroughly uncomfortable it makes you, and while credit has to go to the characterization and writing, a lot of it does just come from how the game frames itself. The music, the atmosphere, the art style... It felt like it got under my skin and started writhing around, and I loved it because I hated it. Yet, if I had tried to distance myself, to say "I won't let this game manipulate my emotions!", then the game would've lost its charm, which would've been a shame. Personally, I say the best way to go about it is to let yourself get caught up in the moment the first time. Let the media manipulate you into feeling the way it's supposed to. Once it's over, and you're done with the roller coaster, you can analyze it later. Best of both worlds. It does also matter what kind of movie it is. I'm an author, as you know, and my books are probably on the opposite sides of this spectrum. Heart of the World is supposed to be much deeper, you're supposed to think about it. Witch of the Starlit Coven, while not shallow, certainly isn't the deepest. I wrote it with the intention of it being quick and snappy and easy to read, and as a result, it doesn't dive as deep into things. If you analyze both of these stories under the same lens, you would probably walk away with the conclusion that HotW is "objectively" better, but that's only because you're not looking at WotSC for what it's supposed to be, if that makes sense. It was never supposed to be on the same level as HotW, and it's not worse for it, it's just different. It's the kind of book where you should just let yourself get carried away in the moment, rather than thinking too hard about it all.
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Edited by Strawberry Pop-Tart: 11/14/2025 3:39:31 AMWoah woah we taking pot shots now, okay I'm down let's boogie! (Jk, lol) In isolation Luke's character does work in Last Jedi, in fact it's actually good. But as I've said before (presumably) Luke's character in TLJ doesn't work once you start considering the Original Trilogy. I'll stop there or else we are just going to have the same conversation again... When I say "bad in every way" I'm being hyperbolic, I'm trying to get across that it's bad in the most important areas such as; plot, writing, creativity, acting, and continuity. Doctor Who is over 60 years old and has had many different people heading it so of course it's continuity has been inconsistent but there's some core pillars you shouldn't change and that's what they ended up doing. I believe it's "The Timeless Child" which basically runs a bulldozer right through some core attributes of the Doctor series as a whole. And addressing your two points because it brought a point of my own to my mind; I try my best to not allow myself to be manipulated by the media I'm consuming and I won't allow the movie to lie to me. Just beca Edit: Where rest of my reply go?!?? I will finish it later!
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Yeah, we've had the discussion why I still think Luke's character is fine even within context, so we'll leave there for now. (plus I don't even like Star Wars that much anyway) :p Your hyperbole hurts your point more than helps it is all I'm trying to say. When someone says a piece of media is just flat out bad, I'm much less inclined to listen for the reasons listed. I'm not saying you're guilty of these things, as I have literally zero way of knowing without first watching it, but when that's the argument being put forth, those are the kinds of things that spring to mind. Lightyear is a good example that springs to mind. I remember seeing so many people hating on the movie for being absolutely terrible in every regard, and yet when pressed for details they circled back to a gay kiss scene at the very beginning of the movie that lasted for half a second and took place mostly in the background, yet they acted like it ruined the whole movie. [spoiler]Side note, Lightyear really frustrated me actually, because most of the movie was good, but then they ruined the plot twist. I was super interested in how they were going to tell a movie where we already knew the plot twist (Zurg being Buzz's father), and their answer was to twist the twist... Which would be fine, if Buzz was the one who claimed Zurg was his father in Toy Story 2, but it wasn't! It was Zurg who said that! Bleh![/spoiler] Anyhow, while the rest of your reply got cut off, media is all about emotional manipulation. That's literally the entire point. Saying you don't want a movie to manipulate you is like saying you don't want your food to taste like anything. A piece of media lying to you I guess depends on the specifics, but that only really matters if you're watching something nonfiction. Fiction, by its definition, is always lying to you. :p Though, of course, I only had a sentence of your actual reply to go off of, since it got cut off.
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LOL, I seem to have run into this problem where I'm unintentionally grouped up with people like that. It's quite literally the "We are not the same" meme. [quote]You disliked the Whittaker Era because the Doctor is a Woman I disliked the Whittaker Era because of shittty writing We are not the same. [/quote]
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Haha, yeah, as I said, I wasn't throwing you into that group, just that you gotta be careful when throwing around the argument of "this is just completely awful in every way!" because that's what people in that group usually do. :p
