In terms of Vanguard pinnacle weapons, the challenge of getting a pinnacle weapon is a joke. There is no skill or difficulty involved. Running 40 strikes is just a matter of time, completion on Nightfalls are easy, especially when you can get the same progress for getting 1k points as you do for 500k. Same problem for Gambit. Envoy kills? Multi-kills? I get those from sleeping through a match. Where's the feeling of earning it? Where's the actual challenge? When it comes to Crucible though, only two types of people have pinnacle weapons: God-tier sweats, and the people who got carried by them. And on top of that, they rub having the weapons in our faces by destroying us with them. The ONLY top-tier challenging weapons are Redrix's, Luna's, Recluse and Mountaintop. They're like this because of the exclusivity of skill being necessary to get them. Vanguard/Gambit need something like that. Something that the people who are actually good at Gambit and PvE can rub in other peoples faces. Luna's, more than being a god-tier pinnacle, is a STATUS SYMBOL. It symbolizes, quite clearly to an opponent, that you ARE better than them at Crucible. Right now, Loaded Question, Breakneck, Oxygen and 21% are our status symbols. and they mean NOTHING. Why? Because the objectives can be sleepwalked through. If you play Gambit, or do Strikes, you WILL get them. Maybe not immediately, but eventually, you will have them. Almost the entire player base does at this point. But think back to Redrix. That gun was owned by less than 1% after the ENTIRE SEASON. It was THE status symbol, because nobody had it. Even Bungie has said that only about 40-60% of the player base are capable of getting the Crucible Pinnacles, so why are us PvE and Gambit players swept under the rug in terms of god-tier endgame content. Time to stop favoring your crucible players and remember the other half of your fanbase. EDIT: So I've noticed you guys seem to be missing the main point. Considering Strike runs or grinding in PvE difficult is exactly the mindset every PvE/Gambit player has about getting Fabled. To you, Fabled is easy, because you have the skill to meet the exclusive requirements. All I want, is something similar in terms of PvE. You, who find PvP easy and simple, should find my Pinnacle DIFFICULT to acquire, while I find it easy. You SHOULD experience the same level of difficulty and progress loss that I experience in your game mode. That's the point of an exclusive weapon. If you can't cut it, you can't get it. If your weapon has an extreme exclusivity and difficulty, as bungo said it SHOULD and was DESIGNED to have, my weapon should be equally exclusive and difficult for you to get. @CrucibleSweatlords and @bungie for not sticking to the principle they designed the weapons around in the first place.