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4/4/2013 3:40:37 AM
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Booker wouldn't, won't, and didn't make it to New York. It is a constant in all of the parallel realities. As for the debts, it is a false memory. This is explained twice in the game, once at the beginning when Lutece says "I hope this experiment pays off.", and once at the end when Lutece says "See his mind is putting his story together with memorys that aren't there." (Don't qoute me on that) It was just a false memory used to get Booker to go get Elizabeth and set in motion the events that took place. I wrote a thread about it if you want to check it out.
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The whole debt thing... so the Luteces knew Booker would formulate his backstory of gambling and put the sign on the door?
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Booker already was in debt though. The Luteces nudged his mind into believing his debt could be repaid if he found elizabeth. At least thats how i saw it.
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Yes. And that's why the put the sign on the door?
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What indicates that his failure to return is a constant? It's clear he failed numerous times before (122 times), is it beyond the stretch of the imagination to assume that he succeeded in getting Elizabeth out of Columbia? The line "I hope this experiment pays off" is a reference to hoping it prevents Comstock from torturing Elizabeth; the experiment was sending Booker to Columbia, not the implant of meories. And the line referring to his false memories is not indicating that they planted memories. As you can see in the scene after the credits, his gambling and drinking was not a figment of a deranged and guilt-ridden mind, it was his reality.
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Modifié par Cabal Killer : 4/5/2013 5:04:09 AMThis is true, I did not think of it that way, and you can visually see his gambling debt, but, In the end of the game when he gives away baby Anna and they wipe away his phyical debt he no longer has debt. Him going to find Elizabeth, all though, at the beginning of the game, seems to be based off his debt, in reality, is based off his guilt of giving away his daughter. You can see this when he kills Comstock. When he is yelling about how Comstock abandoned his daughter, he is actually talking about himself. I am also assuming you got that 122 number from the coin toss. In the dimension booker is in where he flips the coin, it always lands on heads, a constant. Using inference and context clues we can assume that Booker is the only on to flip that coin. By this logic we can tell that the entire timeline of the game has happened again, therefore Booker cannot ever make back to New York, becaue then the proceedings of the entire game would be altered, and there would never be a repetition, and Booker would never flip the coin again.
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I never got what people meant when they say Booker has flipped the coin all those times. I assumed it meant there were some realities in which such oddities do occur. But it seems [spoiler]that they do it on Booker and Booker alone, and that this is a loop through which he has been cycling between Lutece's offer to help him free Elizabeth before the game begins, and the Sea of Doors. Is that true? Can someone explain it better? I never quite understood what was going on through the Sea anyway. Is it Booker reliving his past, with Elizabeth and present-Booker's-voice and the player only aware that they're seeing it through tears?[/spoiler]
