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8/5/2024 9:03:33 PM
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Is it possible to save Destiny 2?

I like this game a lot, its unique and even tho it can be stressful I find it very fun. I read all the negative vibes in regards of all thats happening but I kinda want to have hope. :'D

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  • As the 34yo player who playd alot and was really into d2, last patch hit the last nail in the coffin for me : Many fun mechanics pulled out Drop chances messed up Bugs on bugs on bugs Can they fix everything? Yes. As it analytic and designer with 10 prof years behind i can tell IT IS NOT HARD. Will they do it? ~80% sure they will not. Strategy they implement showing they : 1) Dont play their own game enough 2) Dont care about playerbase 3) Dont have strategy base on TA 4) Dont read and analyse feedback

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  • Modifié par Yosemite Sam : 8/6/2024 1:00:12 AM
    Maybe if Sony removed the entire studio that caused this mess. The only way I can see this game being saved if it's possible is by bringing back the original devs, High Moon, and Vicarious Visions. What I mean by being saved is actually improving the game and not just use the player base as a cow as this Bungie literally did. There is a lot of potential for the game and things that can easily be improved. All it takes is the right people with the willingness to do so. Above all, get rid of the "content creators and streamers" that supported this greedy business that helped cause this mess. But, since that will never happen, let the game die. This business has done enough damage.

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    • It's winding down, and I think people have to accept that. Right now, the current plan is to have it limp along for long enough so that Marathon can sweep in and save the day (which is glaringly optimistic at best). For it to continue beyond that isn't even in Bungie's hands, but with Sony and at the end of the day they've shuttered studios for failing a lot less financially.

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    • Modifié par Sky_hawk : 8/6/2024 9:32:31 PM
      Bungo is completely clueless at this point… They have no room to improve the game any time soon. The only hope for Bungo to survive Sony’s acquisition is only if Marathon is NOT a flop. If Marathon flops then there is no more Bungie. This studio will literally cease to exist.

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      • Modifié par AppleSoda : 8/6/2024 2:53:35 PM
        It’s easy to identify fixes for a lot of the biggest issues, but Bungie refuses to invest into the game. -Better onboarding. Return Red War and Forsaken campaigns. Remove New Light campaign and replace with a “main story” quest that brings the player through all of the campaigns in chronological order. Trim down a lot of quests, either removing them or incorporating them into the main quest. Make it painfully obvious to players what the main quest is and that everything else is side content. -Simplify monetization. Dungeons come with seasons (even if this means charging more per season, the problem isn’t the price imo it’s the lack of clarity by having one million different purchases), make 30th Anniversary and everything up to Shadowkeep free. After every year or two years, make the oldest (still paid for) expansion free -Better ritual loop. Return all removed strikes and Crucible maps. Invest in strike-specific loot again and add adept or shiny versions that drop from GMs (these do not replace the generic NF weapon pool). Add shiny/adept versions of comp weapons to Ascendent rank drop pool and allow the weapons to randomly drop at match end at any rank Gold and above. Improve Artifice armor drop rate and stats in comp. -Improve the rotators. Master versions and base versions of missions, raids, and dungeons should always be available. Rotator only dictates where the pinnacle drops and if it’s farmable. Multiple missions/raids/dungeons should be active as part of the rotator every week. The amount that these basic fixes to the core gameplay and onboarding process would do is unimaginable. The executives wonder why their playerbase is so old, they see it as a risk, and they can’t get new people to play but it’s incredibly obvious to anyone with a brain why Destiny is like that. The game is not as complex as everyone says it is, most of the game does not require intense knowledge to have fun and get through. The problem is it’s hard to see the base level content when the game just gives you a pitiful introduction and then just spams you with 63 random quests instantly. Onboarding should be the #1 priority besides just maintaining status quo and should’ve been for years. After that, the game needs for seasons/episodes to focus more on the core PvE experience (patrols and strikes) instead of making a ton of activities that will disappear in a year, even if this means gatekeeping some of that content behind the season/expansion paywall for the year like they did in D1. Their inability to monetize the core experience has choked the game as they put 0 effort in them knowing they won’t make direct cash from it. How do they expect new players to get into the game if they have no clue what’s going on and are spammed with ads to buy DLC in game?

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        • Being honest, if they wanted to, they’d have done so a long time ago. At this point, and given how close this game is to end cycle, I’d say there’s no shot.

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        • There IS still hope as long as you enjoy the basic core game. There’s going to be a massive decrease in content but that does not mean that D2 can’t remain fun. However, Bungie has been on an anti-fun, more grind, “git gud” scrub craze lately so it’s possible that the game will not only have less content but that content will also be unbelievably grindy and unnecessarily difficult.

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        • Modifié par Guardian,Archon Of Light : 8/8/2024 3:43:27 PM
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          I don't think so, Bungie has did everything they could do with this game, long time players are not going to have any fresh experiences and are going into any new content with jaded unrealistic expectations, riding a bike is still riding a bike But the franchise still has possibility, imagine a story driven single player RPG like Cyberpunk or Fallout set in the Destiny universe , which would take years and millions of dollars , but we have seen the limits of the shared world live service model , time to go in a new direction

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        • Not with the employees that work at Bungie. They are entitled little children. They don't understand accountability. They made a big mistake only firing a few hundred. They should all be fired, and replaced.

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          • For that they need to change the entire development team. And pete needs to be fired.

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            • Nah not without expansions. It’ll fade over time. Sorry.

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            • No. It’s on life support. When the money runs out … they will pull the plug.

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            • Problem is that neither Bungle management nor Sony are gamers. They're greedy business people who are getting bad advice. Player base aging a problem? No! That means loyal customers who have supported you for decades! Of course no one can tell a genius CEO what to do.

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            • Reading today’s patch notes convinced me they really don’t care who is staying at this point. They genuinely think making things worse for current players will keep player numbers up, and that’s more sad than anything.

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            • It’s possible, but only by dumping cash in and getting rid of the people at the top. Sony won’t dump more cash in because they just got scammed for 3 billion. The people at the top probably won’t go until Sony has sought legal remedies for the fraud. So yes, but probably not.

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            • Yes. Will they though... Unsure. Saw a video the other night mentioning that awful started pack they charged new players for. They could do stuff like that for free each episode. Just give old stuff away to get newer/less dedicated players in. Old expansions should become free/should offer a few weapon patterns outright from older guns. Eververse items should get cheaper with age.

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            • Nope.

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            • Of course, there are still several ways to turn this around. The thing is that they most likely won't do any of them. Just think what the worst solution would be, then expect them to somehow do something even worse.

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            • I hope so but I guess we will see.

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            • Honestly, probably not. It's obvious that Bungie has lost all motivation to keep up with the game. There is zero hype for Solstice dropping today. I get that they didn't have a TWAB last week, but you know they always hype up these seasonal events. I bet most people even forgot Solstice was starting today.

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            • After the latest patch it's a big fat no!!!! I'm pretty sure the playerbase is being punished well the loyal ones left anyway 🤣

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            • Modifié par Veldrin : 8/6/2024 10:57:17 AM
              Even if Sony replaces all the employee-hating effs in the Bungie leadership, I still doubt it. The writing is abysmally bad (Disney, Amazon or Netflix level of bad writing) And the big amount of grind and recycling, the repetitive gameplay and the content drought add to that. And lastly the core gameplay isn't as fun as it was in the past and the content vault is just the rotten cherry on the top.

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            • Everything ends, including this game. Only question is.. How long will it last? I expect Destiny 2 to be a solid game for at least a year and maybe 2. Hopefully, a similar game will fill the void.

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            • Probably no saving D2 at the moment, but maybe down the line, they will actually develop D3.

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            • Whether the game is salvageable or not, that's for Bungie and Sony to sort out. Until that day comes just have fun with it and ignore the potential Sword of Damocles; it'll only ruin your enjoyment of the game if you're too busy fretting over what may or may not happen.

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              • I think it certainly is possible, but not in the direction they have been headed, which I go a bit more into it on my post here: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/264225423/0/0 In its current state it still is a great game and a lot of quality of life changes have been amazing, but it's not retaining a lot of the new or casual players and even veteran players are starting to lose interest. Hopefully it does stick around for quite some time as I genuinely enjoy the game and would hate to see it go.

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