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Does anyone else feel like the main Echos Story has been overshadowed by Saint + Osiris bromance story?

I feel like the bulk of this seasons story has focused on Osiris and Saints honeymoon rather than the conductor or the vex. It feels like bungie had more of a general idea for the seasonal story, but couldn't figure out how to get from plot point A to plot point B, so they decided to just fill the gap with more Saintiris bromance. I mean, this week's story should have been huge, but instead, we got 2 extremely long talking scenes with Saint and Osiris expressing their feels for each other. By my 3rd character, I found myself going to the bathroom, getting snacks, and refilling my drink, just to come back and find them still talking about their feelings. Meanwhile, we got to see the conductor for 30 seconds. Even most of the post activity dialog from the seasonal activities focuses on their relationship rather than the conductor, vex, or Nessus. At this point, I feel like bungie was misleading with their marketing for Echos, and they might as well have called it Honeymoon or Bromance. It's even more exhausting knowing most of their dialog could have just been a lore tab/book or in-game text screen. Not to mention, at this point, bungie has given us more information on Saint and Osiris relationship than any other relationship in-game, I mean this is like the 4th or 5th season that featured their relationship and every cutscene/lore tab that features one of these characters since Witch Queen, always somehow seems to diverge into them talking about their love for the other rather than what's going on at that point in time.

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  • Im not against bromances or saint or osiris but i want action/ cutscenes/story at the start of D2 saint 14 was a legend fallen in battle as we know the saint 14 rn is not the real one? While for us he might still be the real one. That is progression. But i dont wanna hear about their lovers issues while they can give me a good action combat cutscene instead of timegated acts/seasonal voicelines 😅 yet again bot against it but i dont feel like listening to it and skipping those scenes with just talking and bromances

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  • It’s just annoying that in d1 and in the beginning of D2 the lore stated they were brothers in arms. Now all of a sudden they are lovers. If they wanted a gay couple they could have made new ones. not with characters we know already and with lore already established.

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  • Quiet, fool. I'm still waiting for Saint's "pigeon" to settle into Osiris's "nest". Do not ruin this for me.

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    • The thing is is this would be cringy and annoying regardless of who the relationship was between. How did our guardian go from being the savior of Sol, the conqueror of the Witness, to becoming the tower’s relationship counselor??? This sucks!

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    • I used to be huge into the lore and everything Destiny. Not any more. The story is to few and far between for me to care about it any more. And the story is not longer about Humanity and the space magic we wield and the enemies we fight.. its a story about a man and a toaster.. constantly. And its bad.. I rooted for Osiris and Saint in D1, loved the characters. Now they are whiney snivelling -blam!- at best. Insufferable, along with NImbus. Skip skip skip, get me back to the enemy, shooting my gun and the game because the story has been garbage, lazy and uninspiring.

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      • Its gotten to the point for me that I skip what I can when the option to skip is available, and I just mute the sound for everything else. To each their own, but it's not for me.

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        • Reason #552 the game is failing.

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        • I paid for a looter shooter game and expected to learn more about the CONDUCTOR than an NPC's -blam!- orientation. The fact that we could not skip this on our second and third characters had me Petting a Frog just to cut out the voice narration. When is Enough, Enough! I echo your sentiments exactly, as do those that I play the game with. Bungie, we've invested hundreds of dollars in this heretofore well thought out Looter Shooter, please get back on track with the Narrative or at least allow us to skip that which we do not want pushed at us. Now, what's this CONDUCTOR all about....

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          • is anybody in the game even straight at this point

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            • And, when you finish a side mission, you want to move on to the next mission but can't because you have to listen to 15 minutes of one of them, or both, going on and on and on about their love life and problems. People have their own problems. We don't need to hear about Osiris and Saint's. I don't care, it has nothing to do with my Gaurdian and my missions. NOTHING!

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            • Couldn't tell you any of the vex or conductors motive or anything else to do with the story, but I sure can tell you how much Saint and Osiris love each other.... Pretty over it

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              • Yeah, I'd have to agree. I don't mind relationships in video game stories at all, but Saint and Osiris relationship is being shoved in our faces at every opportunity these days - to the point where it is not a part of their characters, but rather their entire character. None of the other relationsships we've seen has been at the forefront in this manner. Amanda and Crow's were kept quite subtle most of the time - being more apparant during Season of Defiance, but tied up with a nice bow after her death. A subtle hint or two is pretty much all we've got since then. Almost the same with Zavala and his long-dead wife Safiyah - center stage during Season of the Haunted, subtly here and there afterwards until it came back as part of his meltdown in the Final Shape - and then we haven't heard much more about it. With Saint and Osiris, it takes center stage every time they are featured in the seasonal/episodal content, to the point where the actual threat/story of the season/episode is placed in the back. And it's been like that almost since Saint's return in Season of Dawn - which was season 9 in the Shadowkeep era. It was kept subtle at first, but towards the second half of the Beyond Light year - their relationship became more and more the focus whenever they were the seasonal characters. Echoes is especially odd with Osiris due to his connection with the Vex - in the lore his obsession with them were a big part of his exile long ago. But his dialogue is almost never related to the Vex or even the actual activity in this episode, it's mainly about Saint. The final week of Act II of Echoes is especially egregious as we were forced to "listen to the conversation" not once but twice and neither conversation was about the Vex, Nessus or the Conductor - they were about Saint and Osiris and their relationship. Both conversations were either a quest objective or a in-mission objective and neither were a cutscene - which meant that we were forced to wait through both several minutes long unskippable expositions. And then we get to the reveal of the Conductor - the main reason we are even on Nessus to begin with - in a minute long cutscene that is skippable. I can't help but think that the priorities are a bit confusing.

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                • I quite literally skip all the dialog because of it. Nothing against gay people, I play with a dozen different gay people, but the love story is so hamfisted and poorly written that it's cringe to listen to. They're not the only cringe couple, Zavala crumpled into a useless husk when his wife showed up in TFS, but he already allegedly dealt with that emotionally during the season with the nightmare leviathan, showing that the seasonal story for that season was a complete waste of time. Bungie doesn't write good love stories.

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                  • For some odd reason this company thinks that customers who paid for a first-person shooter, sci-fi/fantasy battle game would also enjoy a cringey gay soap opera delivered via radio broadcast. I just hit "Listen" and then walk away as fast as possible so I don't have to hear it =D

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                  • Saint, approaching Osiris with a whip after he bondaged himself with Strand: "You've been a bad little b0rd."

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                  • Yes. It's got nothing to do with it being a gay relationship either. If it was a heterosexual one I'd still be like wtf?? Where's the space saga?? Hell, if it was the love of an exo and his robot dog it would still be cringe. Who at Bungie thought a love story would be a good arc for the launch of a "new" episodic adventure post Final Shape?? No wonder this franchise is in trouble.

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                  • LOL, Last time I mentioned my opinion about Bungie woke crap on this forum I got ninjaed out and suspended for a month for saying my opinion, but yeah I noticed this Osiris crap love in the last dlc as well, and thought this is going down the drain... Decided after that to not buy the last dlc and that was it for me. It's sad I liked D1 a lot. D2 story has been a dumpster fire.

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                    • Modifié par jaydude_2001 : 8/2/2024 8:11:40 AM
                      I have no problem with their relationship but I have a problem with the super long tedious cutscenes that should be skippable after you watch them once. Like you, I actually left the game playing and went to do something else while they were talking only to come back and see they were still not done.

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                      • Just means they aren’t developing a deep enough story to carry the focus. Same way they developed the Echoes to begin with: absurdly abstract events creating absurdly abstract items doing whatever silly nonsense they need to justify something “big” happening. The Vex are blind to paracausal stuff they don’t know about? Since when? That’s never happened before either. They took ‘they can’t simulate what they don’t understand’ as literal simulations and even then break it for Curse, The Black Heart in LF and now with Echoes they can’t even [i]see[/i] stuff they don’t understand?

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                        • Yes. It's not even a debate. It's so painfully obvious where the focus is this Season.

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                        • I honestly thought it was all about them until I saw the final cut scene. I still think their relationship is irrelevant and unnecessary. So cringe too

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                        • I'm so tired of hearing about these two and their stupid relationship. I want actual story in the game that push's the narrative. Maybe if bungie sold more pride emblems it would have saved the game with all the recent firings

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                        • It's not a bromance, they're legit gay

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                        • Modifié par ForeverLaxx : 8/3/2024 2:37:17 PM
                          Let's ignore the fact that this relationship only exists because of a retcon and look at it how Bungie presents it now: These two characters have been "on the brink of breaking up" for multiple seasons where, despite not being the focus of the season's story, were still given more viewing time and presented as a focus. How many different seasons where Saint/Osiris are having a crisis and it causes their relationship to nearly fracture until, at the last moment, one of them has a moment of clarity and snaps out of it? That's what's so exhausting between these two. Every time these two are together for any length of time, it has to be about how one of them is "having doubts" and is about to throw themselves off a cliff until the other says one or two sentences and talks them out of it. How can you have two characters that have been a couple "for centuries" [b]still[/b] have this constant fear of splitting apart? It's so [i]exhausting[/i] to listen to. So I don't.

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                        • Wait what, are yo implying there's a vex story buried in there. You know something that explains what happens next after we finally killed the witness and now new baddies are out there? Wouldn't know I hate the VERY SLOW and poorly written O&S14 crapshow, so just skip it. It sooooooooo does not have a place in Destiny, in my opinion.

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                        • Yeah I thought we would be finding out what the echoes were and seeing who the new big bad(s) was going to be, but instead we just got relationship simulator 3.0 and some of the most boring patrol-lite/fetch quest content in D2 to date. No wonder the player population dropped like a rock.

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