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11/30/2022 2:44:18 PM
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So when you realized his dead body was cut up & put in a bunch jars, you still thought he was powerful & intimidating?
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Yea they said multiple times that even just the pieces were incredibly dangerous. Eramis said if anyone was exposed to the pure darkness inside they would likely not survive the process. It was further implied that they would become a great deal more powerful and dangerous once all pieces were reunited. Then they threw all that out the window and turned it into a healing cup of tea. Doesn't make any sense... Even just taking what the cutscene said at face value, that what was inside was a "mass of primal darkness" there has never been anything in the lore to suggest that consuming a mass of primal darkness would do anything remotely beneficial to a person. Just feels like they are taking a massive 💩 on their own lore...
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You should really watch the cutscene again. The darkness tea didn't just wake Osiris up. It gave him all of Savathun's memories & presumably darkness powers.
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Oh no I got that part, that's the only part that makes any sense. Still ignoring over a decade of lore were any entity that has ever come into direct contact with darkness was almost immediately corrupted by it. Your ignoring like the other 80% of the implications. I'm sure there is some explanation you could theoretically make, but that's the problem is they didn't. At the very least they needed to flesh out more of the details of how any of this tea business makes a bit of sense other than Mithrax being like "I seen something only I can see, don't worry about it, don't ask any questions" that's not going to cut it. And as much as everyone especially Saint likes Mithrax I honestly doubt he would be cool with exposing him to "primal darkness" in his extremely fragile state especially given the knowledge he has already been corrupted by those very relics. It just sounds logically stupid AF, but hey it's a crazy Sci fi game so I guess Bungie can do whatever they want even if it is almost universally recognized as poorly written and thought out.
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[quote]any entity that has ever come into direct contact with darkness was almost immediately corrupted by it.[/quote]That literally never happened. Nobody corrupted by the darkness had it happen immediately, & we have a bunch of examples of guardians interacting with the darkness & not being corrupted by it at all.
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Your wrong, sorry... An Example: Those that were aboard the Glykon when it interacted with the darkness anomaly were instantly killed/corrupted by darkness save for Calus who spoke with the voice in the darkness directly and you could argue that he too has now been corrupted by the darkness. As far as guardians none were exposed directly with primordial darkness like Osiris was, the ones that took longer were exposed in lower doses over longer times so obviously it took longer but there is no reason not to assume that direct contact with primordial darkness would vastly hasten and strengthen the corruption. Sure you can say mithrax made it more "palatable" or w/e they said in the cutscene but like honestly wtf does that even mean? Doesn't really make any sense considering all the lore comparing it radiation. Like you can't just take radioactive waste and all of a sudden make it into delectable tea, it's still just going to kill you... The whole concept is stupid imo.
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[quote]killed/corrupted[/quote]There's no way you think those two words are interchangeable.
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Modifié par Killacybin : 12/1/2022 2:38:37 AMYou don't understand what a slash means? I'm saying they were either immieadietly killed (like most of the cabal on the ship) OR corrupted (like the scorn that were connected to the witness consciousness and will) Because again historically in the lore that's what direct contact with pure darkness does it kills or corrupts you.
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[quote]I'm saying they were either immieadietly killed (like most of the cabal on the ship) OR corrupted (like the scorn that were connected to the witness consciousness and will)[/quote]& I never said people couldn't be killed by darkness powers, nor that fallen couldn't be corrupted. I said guardians aren't immediately corrupted by darkness.
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Firstly Osiris isn't even a guardian anymore he is a mortal no different then elinksi, scorn, or cabal who are all mortal. Second darkness is and always has been inherently harmful to guardians in its pure form. Why do you think we can't revive in darkness zones? The creatures Drifter encountered when he acquired the derelict emanated a pure darkness field that instantly snuffed out and suppressed a guardians light. So again historically in the lore any direct contact with pure darkness (stasis is not a pure form of darkness) is harmful and usually kills or corrupts them with speed depending on the strength and severity of the exposure.
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I guess someone should tell Eris, The Stranger, & Mara Sov that they're either gonna die or be corrupted immediately since they're not guardians, even though they've been wielding the darkness for years already.
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From Destiny wiki... Stasis is an elemental manifestation of the Darkness, in an equivalent manner as Arc, Solar and Void are elemental manifestations of the Light. It is related to cold, and more precisely to the cessation of movement on a macroscopic and atomic level. Not actually pure/primordial darkness, clearly the plot loopholes don't bother you because you don't know the actual lore lol...
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Your head canon isn't "actual lore". You're being willfully ignorant.
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Modifié par Killacybin : 12/1/2022 5:03:59 AMMy head cannon? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. Refer to the destinypedia article if you would like... https://www.destinypedia.com/Stasis Or you can just believe whatever you want, the cutscene is pretty universally recognized as bad by anyone and everyone who follows the lore closely so I don't really need your validation, thanks!
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Modifié par Jvp WReNCh : 12/1/2022 5:04:23 AMYes, your head canon that an elemental manifestation of a thing is somehow not that thing is erroneous. Even destiny pedia says you're wrong: [quote]After arriving on Europa, the Exo Stranger would teach the Drifter and Eris Morn how to wield Stasis. Later, the Guardian would also be granted the power of Stasis, first through using a stolen Splinter and later by calling upon the Darkness within themselves[/quote]
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Not seeing anything that says I'm wrong there.
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[quote]by calling upon the Darkness within themselves[/quote]Idk how to make it any simpler than that. The physical manifestation of a thing is that thing. Even if you wanna shut your brain off & say nu-uh because you don't want it to be so, you can apply your same head canon to the nezerac tea. "[i]it's not real darkness it's just a physical manifestation of darkness in tea form[/i]", for example.
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Modifié par Killacybin : 12/1/2022 4:43:46 AMStasis is not the same as pure darkness as already stated. Eris can tell you firsthand how the light was drained from her and her ghost by the hive utilizing the darkness. Mara used hive rituals to create a throne world but as we now know throne worlds are not inherently tied to darkness. Other than that how has she wielded darkness? The stranger comes from a timeline where literally every guardian WAS corrupted by darkness and using Stasis specifically including Eris. She came here to show us that she believed Stasis/Darkness could be used against the witness but it's never been proven that we aren't being slowly corrupted by using Stasis so I mean I wouldn't rule it out.
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Who told you throne worlds aren't tied to darkness?
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Lol Savathun reforming her throne world in pure light energy. You know the entire plot of the witch queen expansion? Or did you not play it? Certainly would explain a few things BTW It also states on destinypedia that Stasis was used by the Darkness to kill humans during the collapse. Just as we used it for good. Further showing there is a clear distinction between Stasis a tool based in darkness powers and the actual darkness itself. Talk about willful ignorance lol take a look in the mirror please!
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You know she used the darkness to create her throne world thousands of years ago, right?
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Modifié par Killacybin : 12/1/2022 5:57:43 AMTechnically speaking the hive throne world's are based on the sword logic which while being based on tenants of the darkness is again different from darkness itself. Mara Sovs throne world was made with knowledge of the sword logic but was created by her techeun's magic combined with Rivens ahamkara magic, NOT through the use of darkness powers. Its great your learning so much of the lore you were unaware of today but I'm afraid from this point your going to have to educate yourself as this conversation bores me. Take care friend! https://www.destinypedia.com/Eleusinia https://www.destinypedia.com/Sword_Logic
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There you go with the head canon again lol
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Book of Sorrows is pretty old you really need to catch up on your lore. Do your research, kiddo...
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& that has absolutely nothing to do with your misunderstanding of what sword logic is.
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The book of sorrows has nothing to do with understanding the sword logic.... hmm clearly you have not actually read the book of sorrows... lol
