"Delete shotguns" There I fixed destiny

Bring back Trials 100% 3v3 elimination.

I doubt they'll bring back Trials until they have dedicated servers. So basically never. :P The reason: https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/355113-bungies-response-destiny-2s-ddos-attacks-angered-community https://gamerant.com/destiny-trials-of-osiris-ddos-problem/ https://www.futuregamereleases.com/2017/11/destiny-2-peer-peer-networking-leads-huge-ddos-issues/ https://www.polygon.com/2016/10/26/13394068/destiny-trials-of-osiris-ruined-cheaters-ddos-spam It's not an overstated problem: note that when Trials got removed, all the cheaters moved to Comp, and even to QuickPlay and Gambit. In 2019, DDoS-for-hire sites and DDoS attacks in gaming _increased_ despite the FBI/Europol crackdown on those sites and the people who use them. https://www.unigamesity.com/ddos-in-gaming-is-ddos-stil-a-threat-for-the-gaming-industry/ https://securityboulevard.com/2019/07/ddos-for-hire-sites-bounce-back/ [quote][b]GamesBeat: We haven’t talked much about platforms yet, but are we talking about consoles or PC or even mobile? I know that on mobile now, the fast interaction has been very important for games like Clash Royale or Arena of Glory. These are multiplayer team games. They seem to be very sensitive to latency problems. If they’re getting attacked, is that another layer to the problem? Labovitz: There are definitely attacks there. I think most of the issues we see and hear about from our game customers and carrier customers are more the first-person shooters. We see a ton of — it’s just constant. At any given time for some networks, as much as five or 10 percent of traffic is just people with Xboxes or other console games trying to block someone else. When we talk about DDoS with respect to gaming, there are two types of attacks. One is you’re specifically targeting another consumer, trying to knock them off, knock their IP address off. The other is you might have monetary incentives. You might go after one of the main game companies and attack their servers. We see both of those. Less frequent, though they happen on a regular basis, are the attacks against servers. But we do see a constant, never stopping wave of gamers attacking each other for whatever motives. Above: PlayStation Network got hit in 2011. Image Credit: Sony GamesBeat: In that case, they’re going to the trouble of finding a farm to use to attack someone? Labovitz: I don’t know if it’s a farm exactly. There are just sites that you can go to, pay $10 or whatever, and get a link. I don’t think it’s that much trouble. If you have a credit card or Bitcoin, you too can launch a DDoS. GamesBeat: Now, we’re getting to another part of the problem, then, that something like this isn’t getting shut down. Labovitz: No, they’re not. It used to be a big deal, to find a machine that [had] a gigabit of bandwidth. Today, you can rent one. We’ve seen an explosion of bandwidth, an explosion of devices out there, servers and others. Stuff on the edge has grown by 10 or 100 times. You’re left with the guys in the middle of the Internet facing — I remember I had a pool growing up, and sometimes, the algae in it would just explode overnight. I think that’s how a lot of game companies and carriers feel, facing 10 times the devices with 10 times the bandwidth. You can buy any of it for a few bucks.[/b][/quote]

Main point: Well you have the core of the problem identified. I think other players whom are passionate with PvP will agree with this for sure. Suggestion: [spoiler]The real "next step" here, is analyzing what tools Bungie even has at their disposal. Hard for us to even imagine, but I would be one to lean towards "not a lot to work with" at this rate. After that, you'll need to start thinking along this one question: [b][i]What ideas, that Bungie have presented, captured an (my own?) appeal, and what is the SIMPLEST way to implement this?[/i][/b] Then apply it to PvP. You've done the first half already, but could you follow up with just "one simple idea" that could change the appeal on PvP? Let's face it, Bungie can't do complex. But they can do simple though. Think of the description "Simple, but effective". It can apply here. Remember, we do need to place it upon ourselves, as a community, to submit feedback that resonates (and I don't mean a biased, positive feedback loop, I'm sure we all know they are trying. They just fall flat here and there) with what they have accessible. This will give the highest probability of them (Bungie) being able to actually use the feedback to it's fullest. Since hearing it, acknowledging it, and implementing it are completely separate things, and not all of it can be done at the same time.[/spoiler] Example idea: [spoiler]What if the season pass rank system was implemented in a similar fashion (free to all players) to Crucible, Vanguard, and Gambit? With the gear being themed to the mode? This being added on top of how things are, would this increase player engagement? Would this cause a set up for something else in the future? Would this be a nest test to run? Etc, etc.[/spoiler]

Great post. I actually did enjoy d2 trials from playing with anyone just to grind out tokens up to meeting some great guys that took me to flawless a bunch of times. I just want trials to come back. Hope your post gets traction.

The problem with trials of the nine was trying to pull off a 1v4 / 2v4 scenario just really wasn't feasible. Even with today’s TTK and special weapons taking down 4 somewhat coordinated enemies is near impossible with just your weapons alone. For To9 to be good it just needs to be a copy pasted ToO loot system and game type, easy fix.

D2 trials was trash from the start. 4v4 sucked, if they brought back 3v3 then yeah bring it back.

More people need to see this. #BringBackTrials