[quote]It's stupidly broken. Broken in all its aspects. Ginormous hit box, 0 flinch by any weapon. And with relative ease, through any dmg increase methods (charged with light, inertia override etc.) You one body all... one body... 199 to the body. It's stupid. It's on the border of being moronic. I'd rather face 2 or 3 jotunns in IB, that face a Lorentz Driver. It's dimwitted...[/quote] You have bever used it lmao it gets flinched often bro 😂

Ofcause I've used it, else I couldn't tell you, if doesn't flinch. If you aim at the bellybutton, the flinch put your aim on the head. All you have to do is aim low and the "flinch" help you get a critical when you take fire straight on. That's not flinch. Well it is, but it's broken flinch. Your aim isn't put of target. And even if you get a little flinched, the aim assist and accuracy cone and bullet magnetism will drag the bolt to a crit anyway... can't count how many times, on my end of the gun fight I see the bolt pass by my head, you even hear the sound of the bolt passing you, only to get dragged into a explosion, because even the game thinks its a hit when its a miss, it is that broken. No matter how much you love Lorentz, it's broken. Don't nerf it to the ground. But in its current state it's broken.

[quote]Ofcause I've used it, else I couldn't tell you, if doesn't flinch. If you aim at the bellybutton, the flinch put your aim on the head. All you have to do is aim low and the "flinch" help you get a critical when you take fire straight on. That's not flinch. Well it is, but it's broken flinch. Your aim isn't put of target. And even if you get a little flinched, the aim assist and accuracy cone and bullet magnetism will drag the bolt to a crit anyway... can't count how many times, on my end of the gun fight I see the bolt pass by my head, you even hear the sound of the bolt passing you, only to get dragged into a explosion, because even the game thinks its a hit when its a miss, it is that broken. No matter how much you love Lorentz, it's broken. Don't nerf it to the ground. But in its current state it's broken.[/quote] Then you're lying recently started using it I get flinched 24/7 any decent player knows u need to flinch that gun plus u can literally here them charge it until they nerf main ingredient or chappie I am perfectly fine with Lornz as a good counter for apes

Lorentz isn’t just a counter for apes. It’s a counter for everything. Every. Single. Weapon. On console, it absolutely dominates at medium, close, and far range. That’s the issue. No weapon should have scout rifle range, sniper damage, and hand cannon aim assist all in one. It’s ridiculously busted, if you don’t admit it; it’s because you crutch on it.

[quote]Lorentz isn’t just a counter for apes. It’s a counter for everything. Every. Single. Weapon. On console, it absolutely dominates at medium, close, and far range. That’s the issue. No weapon should have scout rifle range, sniper damage, and hand cannon aim assist all in one. It’s ridiculously busted, if you don’t admit it; it’s because you crutch on it.[/quote] What a cry baby you can counter it just fine, try different strategies & quit whining about it expecting bungie to nerf what you can't handle we all get weapons that over power us no one is perfect

Notice how you didn’t address a single one of my points I made about why it’s busted. You just called me a baby and left it at that. Pretty much just proved you have no idea how broken that weapon is. There’s a reason it’s banned in most tournaments in D2. And every single scrim, it’s highly frowned upon on console.

[quote]Notice how you didn’t address a single one of my points I made about why it’s busted. You just called me a baby and left it at that. Pretty much just proved you have no idea how broken that weapon is. There’s a reason it’s banned in most tournaments in D2. And every single scrim, it’s highly frowned upon on console.[/quote] Easy to use is not a valid argument as to why something should be nerfed heavily. If that was the case, Shotguns, Hand Cannons and movement Exotics should have been obliterated by now. 2) I agree that the damage profile needs changing, as 166 on the body is too much when there are so many easy-to-activate damage buffs these days. Killing Supers is mostly fine, Snipers can do it and so can Shotguns with the aid of a melee. 3) "you shouldn't be punished for a teammate's death" is an awful take. By the same logic, Cloudstrike should get nerfed heavily too, Firefly and Dragonfly shouldn't work in PvP, nor should any damage perks that activate on-kill. Even Riskrunner can punish you for your teammates just shooting an enemy, never mind dying. 4) For all the complaints about this perk, I never see it happen - other people going on streaks, that is. Note that it's also a non-factor in Trials, which will have a large influence in its PvP balancing. It's rare enough to see someone even using the gun, from my experience. Again, it's no more oppressive than Hand Cannons and Shotguns. If it was as broken as everyone says it is, then you'd be seeing 8-10 of them in a match (across both teams) with great regularity

I never said that it shouldn’t punish teammates, as a a matter of fact; I like weapons that have opportunity for multi kills with one shot. Makes the game feel more fun and fluid in non-ranked gameplay. However, Lorentz is still banned in 90% of tournaments for D2 held by professional D2 players. As for your point about shotguns and hand cannons, they aren’t as easy as you make them out to be. As a matter of fact, Lorentz has higher aim assist than most handcannons in the game. People don’t like shotguns and handcannons because in a skilled hand, they are extremely difficult to outplay. That’s why you see so many high level players using them. The risk/reward for using Lorentz is almost abysmal. I even clipped one of my death’s yesterday because this dude that I put two hand cannon headshots into (explosive payload on it by the way) re-peaked the corner and headshot me (while I was rushing) point blank in the forehead. No weapon in the game should have that low of a risk/reward outcome like that. I’m sorry that you don’t see how broken it is, but as this post shows; you’re one of the very few. Have a nice day.