It doesn't help when the only difference is a pinnacle has a unique perk while a ritual is just a fixed roll that has two generic perks you can switch with two other generic perks that are available on every gun in that type.

My big issue with them isn't that they're hard, or even that they're long. It's that they're so damn [i]boring[/i]. Like, doing an inane and mundane task like "get scout rifle kills" is par for the course I guess, but they're always the bottom of the barrel type of quest, and they're always what people are talking about when they complain about games feeling too much like a second job. You walk in and the game expects you to do a task for your reward. Maybe that task is shooting a man with a gun, maybe that task is stocking the shelves at the local walmart, or taking a routine tech support call. Then, instead of the joy of immediate joy upon completion of the task, as we would if it was something like running a very hard nightfall strike, the game turns around and goes "Now do that one hundred more times, except we also want you do some more busy work along the way." and much like stocking the shelves while helping customers every few minutes; you don't even get a reward for doing this task until several days later, and much like the paycheck you get at walmart; the more you look at it the more you wonder if it was ever worth it. What I'm saying is that if you're going to give us a long and grindy quest, it's got to be something more than just "get a [i]lot[/i] of kills with one specific weapon in one specific game mode" because oh man is that the least interesting possible way to design content. But, then again, I did just finally finish the grenade launcher that wanted [i]fifteen hundred grenade launcher kills and five hundred grenade launcher multi-kills exclusively in playlist strikes.[/i] So I'm starting to think bungie's just forgotten what fun quest design was. Because it sure isn't "Can you do this task? Cool, now do it until that task stops having any and all meaning and you want to die."

If you're going for Randy's Throwing Knife there is one thing to remember: you gain more progress per match the longer you stay alive between respawns while achieving those goals. That's the trick. That's why players have a hard time. Getting Luna's Howl was much harder.

Newsflash...Pinnacle isnt supposed to be easy.

They definitely need to give them a better feel next season. I've been grinding for the Title, but the weapons themselves are just....meh. Weapons like recluse, mountaintop, OG Lunas were all worth the lengthy grind. The ones this season, not so much

Exit Strategy and Edgewise are good, but not exactly worth the time you have to put in to get them; Randys Throwing Knife quest was just insanity for a sub par scout rifle.

Am I the only one that hated the edge wise quest more than the crucible one?

https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/254337164?sort=0&page=0 some helpful advice!

Randy’s grind is definitely worse than recluse and revoker

Randys throwing knife did take a good amount of time. I think Medals was what dragged on the longest but I just played crucible and went after other goals till it completed. I heard the cold fusion medals are worth more for the quest than any other medal. Just get 2 kills a life with a fusion rifle and it will complete in no time. The performance of the gun is amazing. I thought at first there was nothing really special about it, no unique perks, but the combo of the perks it has makes it deadly. I am using it for gambit and wiping up adds at distance as well as taking down invaders.

The original crucible pinnacle weapons grinds were horrible ( original mountaintop quest *shudders*) and some still are ( i'm looking at you Redrix ) Also grinding out the Hush currently is brutal as Bows arent the best in gambit for add clear and DPS ( Wishender is working for me though) Momentum control makes getting RTK super trivial to get ( i got it before MC came out) Prior, I used the Mida and or polaris lance. The quest isn't meant to be done in a day, but over the course of a season. Pace it out and you will get it.

The problem is not really that you have to grind for it. I don't mind a certain grind for rewards which make me feel I earned it because I worked hard for it. The problem is that the grind is completely out of balance. The vanguard and gambit quests were quite easy and I could finish them quite quick. Meanwhile the grind for the crucible quests is horrible long. It feels like the grind for the crucible quests takes more than all the other triumphs of the Undying seal together. The Tribute Hall had kinda the same problem. Tribute Hall has many triumphs where you had to do activities while wearing Calus themed armor and weapons. The progress of the Crucible triumph was sooooo slow. It took ages compared to all the other ones. Even the raid encounters triumph were much quicker. Bungie should really think about balancing this more and no, I don't mean that they should extend the grind for all other triumphs!!!!

I've literally gotten Recluse, Mountaintop and halfway to Luna's and still haven't finished the bottom objective needed for Randy's yet..

Get Lunas, Mountaintop, 21% Delirium, Hush etc before comparing Ritual weapons grinds to the old pinnacles. Community asked for halfarsed grinds, Bungie gave us halfarsed weapons.