The guns had no live since forsaken started and it can’t keep up the yr 2 of destiny 2 seeing as the TTK is quicker now
It still does good in pve. Crucible is lack luster but that's most year 1 primary ammo weapons.
You could say the same thing for like half the exotic weapons (excluding heavies).
Crimson needs to just be replaced by red death, idk why the obsession with hand cannons in this game. Do the developers understand that not everyone wants to use hand cannons?