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3/1/2019 6:22:36 PM
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Sleeper should be Mars related, Telesto should be in the world. Neither weapon is related lore wise to the lairs, so they shouldn't be locked behind unrelated content. In short? You are correct 👍
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  • whisper is a perfect example of how to do it.

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  • Be careful what you wish for, next thing you know the sleeper catalyst requires another bray schematic

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  • No. They wouldn’t? Would they? 😭

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  • Enjoy farming patrols again 🙃

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  • But I like patrols? 🤔

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  • Then your good to go 👍🏻

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  • Would not be surprised

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  • They correspond to the dlcs that the weapons dropped in.

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  • But are in no way actually connected. Bungie needed a reward for playing the prestige raid lairs so they threw in catalysts that had no ties to the raid lairs. Look at legend of acrius. That's a prime example of how it should be. The entire quest was raid related. Sleeper was related to Rasputin and the expansion it was in. They should have connected it to EP and the sleeper nodes at the very least. That would make sense.

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  • Upgrading the catalyst is tied to EP

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  • Didn't realise that since I never bothered looking it up as I've not done the prestige raid lairs. Still, getting it could also be tied to Mars rather than the raid lair, maybe a quest similar to whisper. Rasputin could have plans for an upgrade to the Sleeper and Ana gives us a quest that requires doing a couple of harder missions or something, just throwing out ideas. There's no real reason the catalysts shouldn't be more accessible. The whisper quest wasn't that difficult once you practiced it, the hardest part was trying to get to the enemies under a certain time so you have as much time as possible and dealing with the lack of special weapons at the time.

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  • It would be cool and nice but the power of this catalyst warrants the challenge. Also changing would make some who got it long ago to feel like their triumph has been hollowed out. Personally I wouldn't care in that regard; I've had it for a week and did the numbers myself to see if it is worth its mettle and it is, ever so slightly. Would be cool for a little story-esque thing too, but bungie isn't about old news. Pretty said so in this very forum post.

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  • Yeah I am aware they won't change it, and to be honest I don't care much. I'm disappointed that one of my favourite weapons will never have the catalyst due to lack of content (let's face it, by give needed a reason for prestige raids) but hey, that's the game I guess. My main gripe is that the prestige requirements are stupid. Use a sidearm? Piss off with that BS, they're weak as hell as it is and the raid lairs aren't suited to most weapons in the game as it is. Hopefully Bungie keep feedback like this in mind though and if they're gonna make a catalyst for a weapon that powerful, do something similar to whisper which was very well received and very well done.

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  • Why wasn’t Polaris Lance’s Catalyst locked behind a raid then? That seems like the obvious one.

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  • Because Polaris had a quest to sort give you a feel for Ana's history with the Brays. And by that logic they should have put every other catalyst from warmind in there too. Hell why not throw the ikelos weapons in there too. Spice it up big boy. They choose the sleeper catalyst as the drop because it is a worthy reward for Warmind players. They choose telesto for for Eater of Worlds because it was one of the few guns without a catalyst or any pre existing plan of one. Short end of the stick and all. Still a nice reward for some and a decent testament to doing all that Curse of Osiris had to offer. Sleeper catalyst was a very good, albeit grindy, testament to what warmind had to offer. Ikelos weapon kills, whisper chest run, then just killing dudes. Took a hot minute to actually do but I'm just glad I already had the ikelosbweapons handy rip whoever has to subsequently grind out those things.

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  • Cause the polaris lance has to do with clovis bray and ana not mars and rasputin.

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  • Legit the Clovis Bray facility is on mars. Does get more clearly related than that

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  • Editado por FL00FING AB0UT: 3/1/2019 7:16:44 PM
    While you’re right, Sleeper and Telesto have EVEN LESS to do with them in my opinion. I’m just saying, there wasn’t a lot of thought put into it, or they thought about it and blatantly didn’t care about giving a giant middle finger to a bunch of people. They put them entirely in the raids so people would play them. That was a bad move. The solution to people not wanting to play content isn’t locking highly desired items behind them. (If not obvious the solution should be make content people want to play.)

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  • The three raid based catalysts sum how much you have played to get them. Acrius reach level 20. Reach 280 or 300 power. Beat the vanilla campaign to unlock leviathan access. Do the normal raid. Do the special arms dealer strike. Progress through the quest upgrading the acrius and then bam prestige for ornament and keep doing because you did it once you can do it again then bam catalyst. Telesto is acquired through a random drop which sucks I suppose but it's catalyst is the sum up of CoO endgame. Do EoW and then do prestige to try and get it. Then after unlocking the catalyst you have to have done or go do all the prophecy weapons. Sleeper catalyst is a sum up of warmind endgame. Beat story do some quests. Get sleeper and then do the raid lair. Do it again on prestige to try and get it. Then after unlocking you have to grind out kills with the ikelos weapons or go get them first. Do part of whisper mission because that is endgame plain and simple. Then just simply use sleeper a bunch. Lore is irrelevant as far as catalysts go. New monarchy didn't make sweet business nor dead orbit the graviton. Catalysts for the most part aren't supposed to be lore based at all. Just simply a testament to play time with nice reward of cool perks and stat boosts. Sure they may have some lore friendly catalysts in the future but that will be then. What we had before is waaaaay too late to complain about. Honestly they should keep them in the raid lairs and such just add raid banner support to the old raids and then let Benedict sell them so vanilla or up to warmind players can feasibly do those challenges. Ever since they changed the weapon system and also the ammo economy the leviathan raids have suffered immensely from an ammo drought even with the giving hand gauntlet mod. Also because of the drought the other two gauntlet mods are way less valuable.

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  • Escalation Protocols were also supposed to be End Game activities. Given you had to obtain the Sleeper quest through unlocking nodes, it would’ve been more logical to add it on Mars with everything else required for it. It makes little sense you need to go to the Leviathan. With Acrius, the entirety of it was on the Leviathan. Including obtaining the catalyst. It’s not like, “do Leviathan raids and then go do some activity on Earth.” It’s inconsistent and my logic for this inconsistency is putting them behind raid lairs which were at the time, not widely played. You’re right, not all catalysts relate to the activity (i.e. strike catalysts) But this is not the first time this has been brought up. This is a recurring topic of discussion here. I’m not saying you aren’t entitled to your opinion on it, but this is mine. It’s not the worst thing in the world, but I’d prefer them elsewhere, like EP.

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  • Eh. Lore friendly or not. These pretty powerful (except telesto really) catalysts should be a reward for playing every aspect of that piece of content. EP is definitely involved especially if you still need the ikelos weapons.

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