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Editado por foxburton99: 12/16/2017 5:04:26 PM
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Vex: Origins and Lights Theories

Welcome to another one of my posts on the headache-inducing Vex (although it can be debated that I’m the one who creates the headaches with these posts). One of the biggest mysteries about the Vex is how, when, and where they originated, and I️ plan to enlighten all of you on the little we do know about this. I will end out the post with a section on Vex goals and algorithms that includes theories I’ve developed myself on their physical appearance. Let’s begin I have identified 3 possible theories I am aware of on how the Vex may have came to be (none are proven). Dissection time [b]Theory 1[/b] The Vex Mind Fluid naturally evolved into the radiolaria it is now and some other species found it then built bodies for them. The Vex were then able to build more bodies and spread as they pleased [i]Evidence[/i]: being Mind Fluid, it is unlikely that the Vex could have built anything if this was their original state, yet they have machine bodies now, so something else would have had to create a body and then the Vex started building for themselves from there. This theory would mean that there was a planet somewhere where some microscopic organisms somehow developed a bond with each other and were able to multiply and spread their intelligence by interlinking (meaning that at first the Mind Fluid was limited to the thinking power of only a couple cells but then grew to billions so became vastly intelligent. What one cell experiences, it shares with all the others and they collectively form something equivalent to thoughts) [b]Theory 2[/b] The Vex Mind Fluid naturally evolved into the radiolaria it is now and is somehow able to solidify its silicon components into a dense solid body (this includes the option of the Vex taking over a host species to force it to form a body for them) [i]Evidence[/i]: we’ve noticed that there is silicon crystal in the Vault of Glass and other locations that serves as part of the Vex system of transferring data, which means there’s a chance it may be somehow directly related to Vex biology for them to have this connection with it. If this is so, then we can theorize that the Vex radiolaria may have silicon molecules that they can isolate and solidify to become a solid part of their system rather than a liquid. If this theory is correct, then that means the Vex may also be able to solidify their silicon (and maybe other molecular components) into their chassis. Take diamond and charcoal for example: both are made of pure carbon but their respective density completely changes their durability, so maybe the Vex chassis are just silicon molecules packed into a hyper dense state that makes them as strong as metal rather than frail like glass. Asher Mir’s Vex arm was attached by a Vex and has slowly been changing his body. It started out as just the metal arm but now Asher bleeds radiolaria rather than blood, meaning that this arm is both producing Mind Fluid and changing Asher’s body. If the robotic arm alone is able to do this, then that means it must have cellular components of Vex biology since we know Vex cells are infectious and convert other organisms and materials into Vex constructs (thank Maya Sundaresh and the other Ishtar scientists for this discovery). So the arm is either creating its own Mind Fluid or it is changing Asher’s cells to force them to produce radiolaria; either way this suggests that the chassis might be connected to the radiolaria in some biological way (or not, this could all be wrong because the arm itself may just be metal with bits of biological Vex elements hidden inside of it that we didn’t know about) [b]Theory 3[/b] Some hyper intelligent species built mechanical bodies for themselves and found a way to turn themselves into the radiolaria and put themselves in the chassis. [i]Evidence[/i]: since the Vex clearly do not have the capability of building anything in their current state without a chassis, it is possible that they used to be some species (or even a single being) that found away to break up its cellular biology into a pool of single cells that were still somehow linked by the creature’s conscience. Obviously whatever did this would have had bodies and machines for replication prepared. So either one being transformed itself and found away to multiply its cells so that it could have its mind contained in oceans of Mind Fluid, or enough of a species was converted to make up the vast amount of Mind Fluid that exists. It could also be possible that this species may have found the vast oceans of radiolaria and just found a way to transfer its mind into the cells and conquer them since they previously had no binding intelligence. [b]Theory 4[/b] The Mind Fluid and the Vex bodies were created by something. [i]Evidence[/i]: this theory goes exactly the same way as theory 1, but with the added speculation that maybe the Mind Fluid didn’t come to be naturally. It’s possible that some species or being created, engineered, manipulated, or programmed organic matter until they were able to create the Mind Fluid, then put it in bodies. This species alternatively could have created pools of radiolaria and then found a way to transfer their intelligence or another intelligence into the radiolaria, turning it into Mind Fluid (as is also an option in theory 3). [quote]Some speculate that the radiolarian fluid is the last vestige of a biological life form that became the Vex." —Sister Faora, "Theories on the Vex"[/quote] I’d like to point out that this quote from Curse of Osiris supports all 4 of these theories by assuming the Vex came from biological life, although it does lean more towards theory three. It also shows Guardian beliefs about the Vex, so it may be Bungie reaching out a helping hand for us lore enthusiasts. Now for 2 incorrect theories, so everyone knows what to look out for: [b]Theory 1[/b] The Traveler made the Vex. [i]Evidence[/i]: We know it’s wrong because the Vex have no close understanding of the Light, they are violent, they agreed with the ways of Darkness without once considering the ways of the Light (they are not on the Darkness’s side though), their goal is to put themselves on top of everything else in all timelines, and there are many timelines where the Vex win and kill off the Light. Also, in the Books of Sorrow there are instances where species the Vex know of that follow the Light are attacked and the Vex don’t support them in any way. And just because the Traveler has a machine body and the Vex have machine bodies doesn’t mean they are related (yes, people have actually made that argument). Supply me with some real evidence that stands above all the things proving this theory wrong and maybe I’ll consider the theory as possible lol [b]Theory 2[/b] The Vex created the Vex. [i]Evidence[/i]: this is not like the earlier theories because this one states that Vex from the future traveled back in time to make the Vex in the past. While it is possible that after the very first Vex were created they started traveling through time to begin the creation of more Vex, there still has to be a very first time when the Vex were created for there to even be anything to travel back through time. [b][u]Vex Lights Theory:[/u][/b] To put it simply, I believe that the color of Vex eyes/lights determines part of their function. Now I know this may seem ridiculous since Bungie really just gave Vex from more present times red eyes/lights, the Precursors (ancient past Vex) blue lights, and the Descendants (ancient future Vex) yellow lights, but if you pay attention you’ll notice these don’t always hold true. Hydras of the Hezen Corrective have blue lights while the other Vex of its subtype and even Hydras of other subtypes have red lights. And Vex Minds will have lights of any of the three colors, no matter what subtype they are or what subtype is around them. Many Axis Minds notably have yellow lights, even when their chassis is of a subtype other than Sol Imminent (Descendants). Now, in all honesty, I’m 99% certain that Bungie did this with the lights just as a “let’s use the primary colors and give different things different colors because it’s cool” kind of thing, but hey, sometimes even I put on my spinfoil hat to expand on my crazy thoughts. I believe the [i]blue lights[/i] mean that unit has tasks involving organization because the Precursors and the few others with blue like the Nexus Mind and some Hydras are all related to overseeing lesser Vex, important expansion, or adjustment projects. [i]Yellow lights[/i] could mean that unit has tasks involving gate/time system regulation or timeline correction because the Descendants and Minds we face with yellow are all related to the time aspects of the Vex system, including ensuring the future is guided towards their end goal. That leaves [i]red lights[/i] at possibly being Vex with more common tasks or tasks involving system construction work because the vast majority of Vex units are known to directly work on conversion of space and time into the Vex system rather than focus on processing what all the other Vex around them are doing. Even the Undying Mind with its red lights was working on restoring the Black Garden to its place in the network. The unique [i]purple lights[/i] of Cyclops may relate to the fact that they are the only known units to serve as beacons/satellites within the network Thanks for reading everyone, hope I got your gears turning. If anyone has more theories or some feedback I’d love to hear it For more posts on the Vex and other lore, check out my Archive: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/217384398/0/0

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  • Editado por jafer_33: 12/26/2017 1:39:10 PM
    Is it possible that these Vex radiolaria are related to the Earth radiolaria and other forms of protozoans?

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    • I'll take "Bungo threw a bunch of stupid shit together that doesn't make a coherent story thus leaving assholes on the forums trying to come up with fan fic theories which will not and cannot ever come to fruition" for 400.

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      • Editado por Green Twister: 12/17/2017 11:59:39 PM
        what if they are an evolved verison of the russian ai and that somehow altered the future.

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        • The Traveler visited the vex and turned them into radiolara, and they had a golden age. That is why “older” vex are made of gold and sliver and the “newer” vex are made of scrap metal and stuff. The theories are all good but just slightly off. Nice work though.

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          • Editado por SonicShadow235: 12/18/2017 2:05:26 AM
            Nice theory post, fox. The Vex have always been my favorite in the sense of their lore and what they are and their mysterious past. But also because of what they are trying to achieve. To become a fundamental law of the universe or possibly reality itself.

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          • I'm personally a fan of your second theory as in my opinion it's the most interesting but it does have holes such as why doesn't the Vex chassis turn to "vex milk" to quote Ghost, when they die?

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            • I love the effort, but lore died with Destiny 1.

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            • Coo narrative says that theres a connection between the vex and the exos. Need to expand on that.

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              • I'm not sure if the Traveler created the Vex, but they are influenced by it as the Traveler is visible in the Simulant Past, at least it is when you play Beyond Infinity.

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                • <I don't think eyes have anything to do with it. Descendants used to have red eyes in D1, but they looked yellow from a distance. In D2, they were perma-yellow. Normal Hydras never had blue eyes, it just looked that way until you got close to one. The only Hydra that I think ever had a blue eye was the Templar, and that was only ONE blue eye. The rest appear orange because of the blue face shield, but they are presumably red. Gate Lords also had red eyes, but with the yellow appearance from afar. I should know, I've taken way too many screenshots to not know. D1: Goblins (all programmings): Red eyes Hobgoblins (all programmings): Red eyes, orange eyes when shield is ready Minotaurs (all programmings): Red eyes Harpies (all programmings): Red eyes Hydras (ALL programmings): Red eyes, main eye appears blue from afar Descendants (all basic units): Red eyes, appear yellow from afar, hobgoblin shield applies. Precursors (all basic units): Blue eyes, hobgoblin shield applies, Minotaurs have red lights on chest Gate Lords: Red eyes, yellow from afar Overmind Minotaurs: White eyes, red lights on chest Templar: Blue and red eyes, face shield applies Gorgons: Blue eyes Atheon: Blue eyes (including chest) Sol Primeval: Eyes respective to their class (Gate Lord, D Minotaur, Overmind Minotaur) Theosyion: Radiolarian center with red eyes (appear orange due to lighting) Sekrion: Yellow lights and eyes Undying Mind: All red Cyclops: Purple eye Descendant Gatekeeper: Bright yellow eye Precursor Gatekeeper: Bright white eyes D2: All present basic Vex units: Red eyes, Hobgoblin shield aura applies All Descendant Units (even Hydras now): Yellow eyes, Hobgoblin shield aura applies All Descendant Units (yes... Hydras too, don't let the lens flare fool you): Blue eyes, Hobgoblin shield aura applies All Cyclops (overrules the previous 3 categories if you count them): Purple Brakion: Red eye Protheon: White eye and red lights dotted over the body, elemental change in effect Dendron: Purple Panoptes: Red Fanatics: No eyes, but their cores flash red, implying some kind of malfunction Argos: Many red eyes>

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                  • Don’t forget the fact that vex mind fluid can turn already living things into vex. Just look at what happened to Kabir. So they could have just evolved into a hive mind like bacteria, and infected the main species on their planet. Then built bodies for themselves as the flesh ones are very limiting. Then after a while they start to learn the true nature of time and space. Ps. They technically could have made themselves. ie the future ones go back in time to create the past ones. That would make them a paradox in our universe, which they already are by simply being able to time travel.

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                    • Vex spelled backwards is Xev You're welcome

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                    • A long time ago, Oryx beat down a race that used paracausal weapons. I gad a theory that the survivors of this war created the vex or became the vex themselves.

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                      • The vex aren't from our universe

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                        • Could the vex simulate my character Arke? "Arke, you are a Seraph. A servant of Ala, you are a protecter of life and so she gave you power that could crack multiverses. You shattered an entire universe fighting Xel, a servant of Vol. you killed one of his most prized mortals, that that almost became an enslaver." Nabia outer god of Light, Time, Reality, Space and Souls Her fisted caved in the creatures head, completely crushing its skull. The shock wave from such a punch destroyed the entire solar system, leaving only her within the now empty space. She stopped for a while, staring at the destruction she had caused. This was all her, the was the power she held and it was only growing. Everyday she is refining her power, making it to the point that she could be seen as a multiversal threat. For Arke was a seraph of an outer god, a guardian of life. She kneed yabets sending the dreaded god into the frabic of reality. Such a force full attack caused the universe to be destroyed by her pure phyical power. This was only seven percent of Arke"s power.

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                          • Or the vex took over a race of beings look at kabr and Asher Mira you think they transplanted that vex arm onto Asher? The mind turned his arm into a vex arm which means the vex can in fact create they’re chassis on there own

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                            • Vex started as AI invented by man. In the far future that AI invents time travel, travels back eons and evolves into Vex...

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                              • I have my own understanding of the Destiny, I think about it often; I am glad to see other Guardians taking interest in the mysteries of the Darkness and it's minions. If you are ok with it, your theories have been recorded for the Requested Archives, and will be credited to you. May the Light be with you, Guardian.

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                                • Knowledge Bump, plus my after work crazy spinfoil thought What if SIVA developed the Vex? It was sent out original to build colonies for when the colonists arrived. What if somehow it’s original programming became corrupted......or it somehow became self aware. It could obviously build the chassis, and use it as it used the Iron Lords Armor. While the time traveling part rather poops on that party, I think it could make for an interesting turn of events to find out that scientists in the golden age accidentally created the Vex. 😉

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                                  • Panoptes was the vex that changed mercury. Who, or what made panoptes???

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                                    • I kinda lean towards the idea that the vex is singular. That the radiolaria are all entangled on the quantum level so every vex construct is all the same construct. Lookup quantum teleportation. The bodies could be an unhappy accident where a robotic probe went to the source world and radiolaria inhabited the probe. The stuff has an electrical charge so I can see it getting into the cpu and learning. The sender's investigating and each encounter the radiolaria learned.

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                                      • Do you know how vex can infect others and turn them into vex, the vex fluid acts as some sort of disease which constantly infects other species and planets through this. Someone can even touch the radiolaria and become vex days later. My theory on the reason that our favourite scientist that has a vex arm, or Asher Mir hasn’t died/turned into a hobgoblin/goblin is that the light is protecting him partially. Since the light can defeat basically any sort of disease, e.g. tetanus. The vex must have infected a species of alien and began the process of transforming that planet. Then continuing that process over and over. It’s pretty clear that the vex keep spreading as so long that there is a single drop of vex radiolaria in our solar system... The vex will survive and grow until the sun dies or even past that. But by then this war will be won...

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                                        • Good theory! It's a shame that CoO didn't give much info on the Vex origins. It mainly gave some info on their simulations (maybe they don't simulate things themselves, and instead process large scale ones like the Infinite Forest) and Osiris. Also, have you seen the message in the Aeon exotics? http://commons.ishtar-collective.net/t/the-aeon-cult-messages-from-a-new-power-in-our-system/1355 Thought this was cool and you should see it. Any thoughts?

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                                        • This is great stuff! If anyone is interested I wrote something very brief on the vex as well! Hope you enjoy it! https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/240230378/0/0

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                                        • Did the not come to our time line maybe universe when crota and sisters doing some hive experiments. So what ever time dimension they from they could of just evolved into the fluid like oddo from star trek DS9. I'd guess that if your going to time travel metallic bodies would be more durable than fleshy one's just my thoughts. Nice read bty.

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                                          • Is it possible that some creature was introduced to radiolaria and assimilated? And then the Vex used those creatures to build robotic bodies?

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