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Younger people are always less religious... Then they wake up.
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  • Edited by Capiton Render: 1/30/2015 3:11:14 PM
    Do they become even lesser religious? The reason you start seeing converts after 30+, is that they fear death. All religion is, is a warm blanket in the dark. Its so you dont spend your days fearing it, and you can be happy knowing you have an afterlife. Instead you should be living life like you want, enjoy it while you can.

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  • You mean taking the easy way out, being too lazy to give a shit about anything. Most agnostics are lazy pricks who say "well we can't know" and use that as an excuse. I will assume you are the same.

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  • Ah the retardation of this kid. Look, i look at all the supposed evidence of either side, and weigh it with respect to logic. Religion as it stands is retarded and contradicts itself on a monumental level. Atheism, well, there isnt any proof. So i would say, blindly believing one thing or the other, without evidence, is taking the easy way out, because you dont have to think for yourself.

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  • Religion is retarded... What, did your preacher touch you inappropriately? Is that what this is about? LOL Obviously you have never heard of the modern day [u]practicing[/u] Catholics.... Unlike most religions we are [u]encouraged[/u] to challenge it's precepts... But sure we don't have to think lol. If you stopped and thought for even a second about the fact, not only that we exist, but that there is so much order in the universe, religion would make sense. Agnosticism is born of the same arrogance that caused the fall of man. Let's say that there is a God, who was responsible for our creation. Does it matter if he is good or bad? Do you realize how arrogant you are to say "it doesn't matter, I don't care, why should I worship him, humans are fine on their own, etc.?" Does a scientist expect his work to malfunction and then just leave it alone? No, the scientist would either fix it or discard it. And yet you expect God to not do the same thing if he wanted to? You, my friend, are the retarded, or at least incredibly ignorant one.

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  • This post gave me cancer.

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  • Well, one less idiot to worry about.

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  • [quote]Let's say that there is a God, who was responsible for our creation. Does it matter if he is good or bad? Do you realize how arrogant you are to say "it doesn't matter, I don't care, why should I worship him, humans are fine on their own, etc.?" Does a scientist expect his work to malfunction and then just leave it alone? No, the scientist would either fix it or discard it. [/quote] Read that out loud to yourself, to see one of the contradictions. Seriously, the premise laid out in all the world religions, is contradictory. The fact you cant even see the most basic ones, makes this all the more entertaining. Go ahead, try to insult me again, while making yourself lookfoolish.

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  • The contradictions.... Mate... Go read Aristotle's rhetoric. You seriously need to learn some logic

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  • Really? LOL ok kiddo. Logic and religious conviction, thats adorable.

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  • Logic and argument* which you seem to fail to understand.

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  • Applying logic to a religious dogma or religious opinion in order to justify it, is the failure kiddo.

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  • Your comma splice is the only failure here mate. You refuse to attack the logics and say I'm wrong "Because I said so!" Lol you sound like a spoiled two year old who doesn't know enough to be able to argue. Seems like you're the one with the blind faith if you can't defend your claims

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  • Edited by Capiton Render: 2/3/2015 2:59:42 PM
    >tries to use logic to validate religious opinion >attack grammar >nice try bruh Look seriously, i dont even need to point out the failures of religious beliefs, whether bible, torah, or quran, or any others. They are contradictory. You havent presented any real line of logic that contradicts these failures in reasoning. So step it up, or just stop replying. Lastly, my claims, are simple and logical. I cant prove or disprove the existence of a god/s. Therefore, i cannot objectively believe in the existence of one. Im not the retard who is sitting here blindly having faith one way or the other, thats you son.

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  • And yet I have.... The fact that we exist and that there are laws such as gravity, thermodynamics, etc. are proof that god exists. Atheism goes [u]against[/u] the laws of thermodynamics by saying that the Big Bang "just happened". How? What caused it? Popular responses are "we don't know", and my personal favorite "aliens". So, something existed before the Big Bang, we don't know what it is, but it created the Big Bang and organized the universe by these laws that we have. Thus, God. Keep saying logic has no place in religion please, it's entertaining. So, some sort of being exists that created everything and is beyond our basic laws of gravity/thermodynamics. It is responsible for our existence. I'll stop so you might be able to process this......

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  • Edited by Capiton Render: 2/3/2015 3:31:33 PM
    [quote]The fact that we exist and that there are laws such as gravity, thermodynamics, etc. are proof that god exists. [/quote] They are contradictory to the existence of a god/s. What im assuming you are attempting to use is the watchmaker argument. IE, these laws are ordered, therefore something must have created them. That something is far more complex. Based on that, something far more complex must have created thecomplex god that created the complex laws. And on you go into infinity. [quote]Atheism goes against the laws of thermodynamics by saying that the Big Bang "just happened". How? What caused it? [/quote] Ok, and another failure by you.The big bang theory never states, that it just happened. The big bang theory, is what they can surmise at this moment, they dont know what came before, if there was even a before. Im sure you will use the god of gaps to slide right in there. [quote]Popular responses are "we don't know", and my personal favorite "aliens". So, something existed before the Big Bang, we don't know what it is, but it created the Big Bang and organized the universe by these laws that we have. [/quote] And there it is. [quote] So, some sort of being exists that created everything and is beyond our basic laws of gravity/thermodynamics. It is responsible for our existence. [/quote] Based on your logic, god has a god, and gods god has a god, and the god of gods god has a god. Correct? Saying, we dont know yet, doesnt mean, must have been god. Now here is the important thing. Being an [u]agnostic[/u], i state i dont know. But i do state, that based on religious doctrine, and the texts presented as truth, those supposed gods dont exist.They are self contradictory in the most base of facts. But, the concept of a prime mover, or another higher power could be a possibility, just not your silly sky fairies. Come back with some more religious 'facts'.

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  • Can you actually read? Let me state this in small words for you so you can understand. In order for the universe to begin, something must have been in existence for all of "time" before that. What is this bullshit about god needing a god? If a god was outside of the laws of physics, it would have existed for eternity before hand? You continue to prove you have no grasp on logic....

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  • Edited by Capiton Render: 2/3/2015 4:02:37 PM
    And you have failed at grasping clearly laid out reasoning, why your argument is retarded, and why from the beginning, i have barely even attempted at justifying putting effort into debating this. You just used the argument from design fallacy, the god of gaps fallacy, and the First cause fallacy, take a look at my link, you can find some more supposed "[b][i]logical arguments[/i][/B]". http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Top_ten_arguments_for_the_existence_of_God

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  • Edited by AirgeadLasair : 2/3/2015 4:11:42 PM
    All fallacies which were made up [u]by athiests[/u] I can give you a list of fallacies some Christians came up with for evolution. Doesn't mean it's right. Agnostics are by definition lazy. You are too lazy to research and defend your position, so you say "we just can't know". Brilliant. Edit: Did you even read the article?!! It says "not so much a fallacy as unsubstantiated opinion." Read your own sources haha

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  • Edited by Capiton Render: 2/3/2015 4:18:29 PM
    They arent fallacies to the uneducated. You seriously are retarded. "[b]All religions were made up by man.[/b]"

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  • Continue to name call as your position becomes more and more tenuous. There isn't a single item on this page that shows "fallacies" All it states is that the argument is based on the argument of ignorance. Please, continue to make an idiot of yourself. It's amusing.

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  • Edited by Capiton Render: 2/3/2015 4:44:30 PM
    Fallacy-a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument: ignorance-lack of knowledge or information Try try again. I also find it funny, you started with ad hominem, attacking other people for having differing opinions.

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  • [quote]In philosophy, the term formal fallacy for logical fallacies and defined formally as: a flaw in the structure of a deductive argument which renders the argument invalid.[/quote] You keep showing your ignorance of even basic logical principles, and yet you keep posting. I admire your persistence while I laugh at your stupidity.

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  • Seriously, the definition of the word specifically gives you an understanding. An argument based upon ignorance is a fallacy. Buck up kiddo, one day youll get it.

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  • You are trying to apply a non-logic definition to a logic argument. Since you are obviously completely uninformed on logical fallacies, that is called a "non-sequitur". You are now trying to tell me If a, then b A Therefore c And yet somehow I am the retarded one :)

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  • An argument based on ignorance, is a fallacy. Try again little man. I imagine you are desperately looking at fallacies trying to apply them to me, thats adorable.

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