I have both guns. The Last Word (Yin) and Thorn (Yang). Jaren Ward and Dredgen Yor are one in the same, but not.
The Rose grimoire card:
"In that cool evening air, as dusk was devoured by night, the noble man ceased to exist. In his place another stood."
"Same meat. Same bone. But so very different."
"The first and only of his family. The sole forbearer and last descendent of the name Yor."
Jaren was the noble man, He found Thorn (aka. Rose) on the moon and it slowly corrupted him, turning him into Dredgen Yor.
I believe the narrator in The Last Word grimoire cards is Shin Malphur. At the end of card 1 he says:
"Palamon raised me from there. The family I call my own - called my own - cared for me as if I was their natural born son. And life was good. Being the only life I knew, my judgment is skewed, and it wasn't easy - pocked by loss as it was - but I would call it good.
Until, of course, it wasn't.
Until two men entered my world. One a light. The other the darkest shadow I would ever know."
I believe the two men are Jaren and his dark side.
The Dark Age 2 grimoire card, again by Shin Malphur:
Loken's men found Jaren Ward in the courtyard where this had all began.
Nine guns trained on him. Nine cold hearts awaiting the order. Magistrate Loken, standing behind them, looked pleased with himself.
Jaren Ward stood in silence. His Ghost peeked out over his shoulder.
Loken took in the crowd before stepping forward, as if to claim the ground - his ground. "You question me?" There was venom in his words. "This is not your home."
I remember Loken's gestures here. Making a show of it all.
Everyone else was still. Quiet.
I tugged at my father's sleeve, but he just tightened his grip on my shoulder to the point pain. His way of letting me know that this was not the time.
I'd watched Jaren's every move over the past months, mapping his effortless gestures and slight, earned mannerisms. I'd never seen anything like him. He was something I couldn't comprehend, and yet I felt I understood all I needed the moment I'd seen him. He was more than us. Not better. Not superior. Just more.
I wanted father to stop what was happening. Looking back now, I realize that he didn't want to stop it. No one did.
As Loken belittled Jaren Ward, taunted him, enumerated his crimes and sins, my eyes were stuck on Jaren's pistol, fixed to his hip. His steady hand resting calmly on his belt.
I remembered the pistol's weight. Effortless. And my concern faded. I understood.
"This is our town! My town!" Loken was shouting now. He was going to make a show of Jaren - teach the people of Palamon a lesson in obedience.
Jaren spoke: clear, calm. "Not anymore."
Loken laughed dismissively. He had nine guns on his side. "Those gonna be your last words then, boy?"
The movement was a flash: quick as chain lightning. Jaren Ward spoke as he moved. "Yours. Not mine."
Smoke trailed from Jaren's revolver. Loken hit the ground. A dark hole in his forehead. Eyes staring into eternity.
Jaren stared down the nine guns trained on him. One by one, they lowered their aim. And the rest of my life began - where, in a few short years, so many others would be ended.
I believe after Jaren frees Palamon from Loken he takes Shin under his wing as an apprentice, Jaren eventually obtaining The Rose (Thorn) and passing The Last Word to Shin. The weapon slowly turns Jaren into the murderous Dredgen Yor. Shin Malphur being the only one who could put a stop to him.
The Last Word weapon description:
"Yours… Not mine." - Renegade Hunter Shin Malphur to Dredgen Yor during the showdown at Dwindler's Ridge.
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How do I get the rose grim plz?
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I'm pretty sure I read this somewhere within the grimoire
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I was under the impression tor had created thorn
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So there's some other cards, including the new one from the DLC. [spoiler]Jaren probably isn't Dredgen. He gets gunned down by some Fallen. You're probably right about the kid being Malphur, though. Jaren's ghost comes up to the kid to confirm his death, and then scans the kid, probably checking for the Light.[/spoiler] So far, the only fragments I've found for this story are the two Thorn Fragments, 3 Last Word Fragments, and The Dark Age 2 fragment.
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Edited by Solo: 1/13/2015 9:13:47 PMI made up this theory long before TLW 3 card was revealed. After reading the new card you may be right. Jaren may not be Dredgen, rather Jaren is gunned down by Dredgen I don't think it was Fallen. Shin describes hearing 2 weapons. 1 being The Last Word and the other sounding "dark and infernal." I'd assume this is Thorn. But, there is still a possibility Jaren and Dredgen are the same, still. I recall reading somewhere in the game, I can't remember if it were Grimoire or an item of some sort but it said that Gaurdians, just like in the game, can be revived by their Ghosts in the story as well. If this is accurate with the way the Lore of the game is portrayed Jarens Ghost is intact, Couldn't he be revived? Shin was sleeping, I'm wondering if his portrayal of what went down that night was a dream. He dreamed the struggle between Jaren and what was inside him. Afterall, "The Noble mans" last moments were as the sun went down. It fits, or maybe part of me really wants them to be the same person. Then we get left with a cliff hanger till the next card comes out... Hopefully it will settle the debate on what's really going on.
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looking at it again, it says "showdown at Dwindler's Ridge." "showdown" makes it seem like it's a huge deal, like there's some big story before hand. so you might be right about Yor killing Ward. it would definitely make the young Malphur want revenge against his killer. i think the thing with ghost revival is only when the light can reach you. that's why "darkness zones" are a thing in game. TECHNICALLY, our guardian should be dead. but for gameplay sake, we come back. there's multiple dead ghost grimoire cards that talk about how the ghost survived and make this last ditch transmission to the Tower, without their guardian. anyway, the point of that tangent is that the "darkness zone" that would leave Ward un-revivable may have been the large amounts of darkness being carried by the now changed Yor.
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Thank you very much posting that. Haven't gotten around to hunting down the ghosts yet and have been searching and searching for the full text and you're the only person who has shared that actual important bit from that card. I was still unsure as to whether Yor just killed Jaren Ward or was actually Jaren Ward turned to darkness. I think you're right on though. Thanks for posting.
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Ya np I was obsessed with finding this out too haha.
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There edited it thats the full story.