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Edited by Atamusk: 8/17/2014 3:48:45 AM
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A reminder of what the word competitive actually means

So, I've seen threads left and right with the content of: "IDK why Bungie calls it 'competitive' multiplayer, I mean, with all the supers, movement modes, grenades and vehicles, and no custom matches, how could this game ever achieve MLG greatness, so it's clearly going to lose all its audience in the first few weeks, once they've completed the story. More like 'casual multiplayer', amirite?" Bungie calls the Crucible "competitive multiplayer" because strikes, raids, and (if you so choose) story are cooperative multiplayer. Cooperative means you and the other humans you are grouped with are killing not-humans, with a shared goal. Competitive means you and the other humans you are grouped with are given goals contradictory to each other, where at the end, one team wins, and one team loses, and they compete for the highest score. I know some of you folks will be playing in the crucible exclusively, so it's not immediately apparent that there's a cooperative multiplayer as well as competitive multiplayer, but there is, and that terminology is how Bungie separates them. I have no doubt that if private lobbies are not implemented prior to launch, they will be patched in shortly after the crucible proves a stable platform. Chill out, ladies and gentlemen, because until 9/9, there's a whole lot that can change. Stay vigilant, Guardians.
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  • Finally, I taught I was the only one who taught it was obvious that competitive meant not cooperative in a game that has both and nothing else. If you associate competitive with private matches and clans etc. it's because of your own preconceptions of what it should be. But competitive only means against others...if you are shooting each other and not the npcs it's competitive, if you are shooting the npcs and not each other it's cooperative. People take gaming way too seriously....the first and only goal of games is fun, if you assign it other concepts it's because you choose it and also because gamer culture has devolved in a very wrong direction (also why it's been tough getting any good games the past generation).
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    • I'm not 'competitive' i couldn't care less about my K/D ratio. all i care about is if i'm having a laugh or not - when it stops being fun it's like work ... and i work enough as it is ..
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      • I hate MLG. Nothing gives me more satisfaction than beating someone with MLG in their name.
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        • Edited by The Mast3r C: 8/18/2014 7:38:03 PM
          Wow you revere MLG?! What are you twelve? Cause if you're not it's time to take multiplayer a lot less seriously, son.
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          • Although I'm not a big PVPer, and more into the PVE aspect, I do love how Bungie is incorporating everything into the story, even the PVP being a sparring battlegrounds where we hone our skills for the real fight. It would be interesting if say they had Private Lobbies, but it was something you had to unlock. You know, where you had to play enough PVP matches to get enough marks (perhaps combined with glimmer) to purchase your own 'Private Lobby' to host with your friends, so only those that earned it by playing enough public matches would be able to host for friends/clan members. Just a random thought that crossed my mind, and would give something extra cool for PVPers to strive for...
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            • true. sadly the "competitive gaming" term nowadays just describes the reduces version of a game to make it as skillbased as possible. I dont know why everyone who considers his- or herself a competitive player still argues and complains about things that aremissing when they shouted out that destiny cant be a competitive game in the first place due to only 30 FPS. if its not possible anyway, why do they still complain? I'll love and enjoy casual competitive PvP matches with all of you guys. the tryhards, the campers, the i-sit-here-and-snipe-only-guys, the hunters-are-masterrace-guys, the normal players and the good (pros) that have 25:3 stats all game :) 9/9 i'm waiting
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            • I would like to say not all "competitive" games need to be sponsored through the MLG.
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            • Lets just call it Pvp since the game already forces multiplayer by default.
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            • It wont change, too many Desticular cancers cried how hard halo and cod are,so they needed a dumbed down fps to cater to the tards
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              • Yup
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              • Starting today, when you see a thread claiming that Destiny isn't competitive, simply respond by quoting Inigo Montoya: “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Hopefully the threads will cease from existence the week after launch.
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                • Competitive MP vs fun and entertaining MP. MLG is fine, but what's the point of having a MP based of MLG rules. If they made games based off MLG rule; innovation, new IP, orginal story lines would cease and a stagnant market will arise. We need Studios to go beyond the given standard to make whats been done before great or something totally new. Or repetitive IPs will become the only sellable game.
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                • *Clapping intensifies*
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                • For a word definition, that was a long post. Nothing wrong with that, it was a well written explanation but all the same. A single quote of a definition from friggin' webster's of the word competitive may have sufficed :P.
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                • I think it's sad that some people believe every FPS needs to be in MLG.
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                  • In what world do you live in where competitive multiplayer means MLG? Who cares anyway? The game is great and just because your opinion differs doesn't mean this game will lose it's player base after story mode.
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                  • I stopped reading at MLG greatness
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                  • Yes. Only boob will tell. Boob heals all.
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                  • Edited by aboniks: 8/17/2014 5:46:12 PM
                    As long as the pvp matchmaking algorithms are solid, most of the argument is going to evaporate. Give it time. Let them all wear themselves out yelling into the echo chamber.
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                    • About time someone made this post, been tellin people the same thing but they dont wanna listen :/.
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                    • Edited by Ronannnn: 8/17/2014 3:13:51 PM
                      [quote] Competitive means you and the other humans you are grouped with are given goals contradictory to each other, where at the end, one team wins, and one team loses, and they compete for the highest score. [/quote] Your statement is completely false. You should use the dictionary more often.
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                      • Edited by VideoGames4Life: 8/17/2014 6:12:24 PM
                        you cant count on me waiting for you in the parking lot
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                      • Edited by StiviX77: 8/17/2014 3:47:35 AM
                        [quote]Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah I'm not competitive enough bro. Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah.[/quote] Not saying I don't agree. But this is what 95% of people reading your post will see OP. They have that Charlie Brown Syndrome in full.
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                        • competitive means private matches and tournaments not TDM pubs
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                          • Four thumbs up. "Competitive" == PvP [i]It's that simple.[/i]
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                            • Oh yeah, forgot something else in my list, people are upset there isn't Private matches or custom games
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