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originally posted in: Auto rifles in PvP vs prime weapons
8/10/2014 6:11:45 AM
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And one other thing I'm not sure if u guys are aware of this but I'm gonna say it cause it doesn't seem like you are....but we only went to level 8 so u have no idea how many guns are out there that could be better or worse than what u guys got smashed with in the beta.....it's gonna be a lot different when there people of all levels in there using a wide variety of different guns
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  • [quote]And one other thing I'm not sure if u guys are aware of this but I'm gonna say it cause it doesn't seem like you are....but we only went to level 8 so u have no idea how many guns are out there that could be better or worse than what u guys got smashed with in the beta.....it's gonna be a lot different when there people of all levels in there using a wide variety of different guns[/quote]There's a site that shows the guns that will be available in game. There's not a big difference in stats,only the type and upgrades available for some the guns which would give you some perks. We are talking about the weapon stats though,such as impact,stability,reload time etc. The pulse rifles and hand cannon were not really good choice of weapon during the beta and I would like to see Bungie make some tweaks to make these guns more useful in game. I know some people here claim to use the pulse rifles and hand cannons and performed well but during the beta the majority of my deaths were from the auto rifles,scout rifles and sniper. Never from the hand cannon and a few from pulse rifles. A lot of players chose not to use these weapons because,compare to the others,they were not useful.

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  • Put a link to the site Please

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  • [quote]Put a link to the site Please[/quote]Destiny.wiki.fextralife.com

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  • Thanks

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  • [quote]Thanks[/quote]you're welcome

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  • Because most players ain't skilled enough to be good with them....

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  • Wow speaking from your own experience eh?

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  • Yet your Primary is the Shinigen, so you clearly don't even fit your own definition of being skilled.

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  • [quote]Because most players ain't skilled enough to be good with them....[/quote]And I guess you are one of the few skilled players who dominates with the pulse rifles and hand cannons right. How do you,skilled one,use the pulse rifle and hand cannon to outplay others with auto rifles and scout rifles?

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  • I shoot them in the head until the game tells me I've scored points for my team because That player is dead and now respawning...I also enjoy long walks on the beach and knowing how to play my class and occasionally I'll look at my motion sensor/map so I know which way to pre-aim....if u need any other advice go pay some body for some tips or tricks or look up a video...I don't mind helping a bad player out....but when they are as bad as you and a smart ass I'd rather they go f$(k themselves

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  • [quote]I shoot them in the head until the game tells me I've scored points for my team because That player is dead and now respawning...I also enjoy long walks on the beach and knowing how to play my class and occasionally I'll look at my motion sensor/map so I know which way to pre-aim....if u need any other advice go pay some body for some tips or tricks or look up a video...I don't mind helping a bad player out....but when they are as bad as you and a smart ass I'd rather they go f$(k themselves[/quote]Calm down,take a deep breath....Now,the strategy you mentioned can be applied to anyone using the other weapons. I'm talking about strategy for using the pulse rifle and hand cannons which are outclassed by the other weapons in close quarter,mid-range and long range combat. Why would anyone choose the pulse rifle or HC for any combat situation over the other weapons. That's why I think Bungie need to make adjustments to these weapons to make them useful. I don't agree that most players lack skill as the reason for not using these weapons.

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  • Bro auto rifles are close to mid range weapons scout rifles are mid to long range hand cannons are close to mid range weapons.....that doesn't mean that a scout can't kill u up close or an auto can kill u at long range.....u have to know what the strengths and weaknesses of ur guns are....the auto rifle is more of an all around gun that's why in every game from call of duty to battlefield to gears u see most people using auto rifles....scout rifles are a rifle that needs to be used to it's strengths...don't try to engage in close quarters with an assault rifle because chances are against you....someone posted a video of a guy using the jigoku (spelling?) scout rifle and he did very very well with it on a smaller map...he just used open lanes more and realized the gun he was using....auto rifles aren't OP they are just more popular hence more people use them therefore mathematically speaking u would be killed more often by them.....this is an extremely skill based game unlike call of duty.....always go for headshots man keep strafing while shooting make the other guy miss and lower ur sensitivity if you have to so u can keep landing your shots....contrary to popular belief most pros in FPS use lower sensitivity to keep there shots on point....try it out man it will work for u.....and another thing man play with confidence don't go In there thinking ur gonna get melted because of the gun you use....know your going to melt faces and stay situationally aware and u got it

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  • Umm so that means that auto rifles CAN KILL FROM LONG RANGE IF YOU DONT SUCK

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  • [quote]Bro auto rifles are close to mid range weapons scout rifles are mid to long range hand cannons are close to mid range weapons.....that doesn't mean that a scout can't kill u up close or an auto can kill u at long range.....u have to know what the strengths and weaknesses of ur guns are....the auto rifle is more of an all around gun that's why in every game from call of duty to battlefield to gears u see most people using auto rifles....scout rifles are a rifle that needs to be used to it's strengths...don't try to engage in close quarters with an assault rifle because chances are against you....someone posted a video of a guy using the jigoku (spelling?) scout rifle and he did very very well with it on a smaller map...he just used open lanes more and realized the gun he was using....auto rifles aren't OP they are just more popular hence more people use them therefore mathematically speaking u would be killed more often by them.....this is an extremely skill based game unlike call of duty.....always go for headshots man keep strafing while shooting make the other guy miss and lower ur sensitivity if you have to so u can keep landing your shots....contrary to popular belief most pros in FPS use lower sensitivity to keep there shots on point....try it out man it will work for u.....and another thing man play with confidence don't go In there thinking ur gonna get melted because of the gun you use....know your going to melt faces and stay situationally aware and u got it[/quote]What's the strengths of the pulse rifles and HCs? All the other rifles I know their strengths and weaknesses and I know how and when to use them.

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  • U can One burst people with headshots with a pulse and hand cannons just require patience and precise aiming.....the thing with scouts and hand cannons are it doesn't 'feel' like your doing a lot of damage but you really are they are 3 hit kill weapons

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  • [quote]U can One burst people with headshots with a pulse and hand cannons just require patience and precise aiming.....the thing with scouts and hand cannons are it doesn't 'feel' like your doing a lot of damage but you really are they are 3 hit kill weapons[/quote]Ok,dude. This back and forth is getting old....if you think the pulse rifles and HCs are fine as is that's your opinion and that's ok. Myself and others think otherwise. Let's see they remain the same at launch

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  • Lol dude I'm js....if the pulse rifles had less recoil which is what everyone is whining about don't u think people would use them over everything and one burst everyone?? That wouldn't be any fun would it....if scouts had a faster fire rate and less recoil they would have the fastest kill time in the game...they are already 3 shot kills to the body.....if anything hand cannons need a minor buff.....I'm not trashing what ur saying I'm just trying to get u to look at it from a different standpoint

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  • The case is that everyone and their dog uses auto rifles because no other prime is as effective. Low recoil, tight bullet spread, oh and the rate of fire , all coupled together makes any other weapon obsolete.

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  • [quote]The case is that everyone and their dog uses auto rifles because no other prime is as effective. Low recoil, tight bullet spread, oh and the rate of fire , all coupled together makes any other weapon obsolete.[/quote] Everyone uses autos in every game man they will always be the most common...people 'feel' like they are doing better with autos over scouts....scouts are a 3 hit kill on the body.....and these are low level guns...I don't understand why u people request such huge changes to game before it's even released ur acting like all of pvp is broken because u killed a guy using a scout rifle with a auto rifle lol....u either must have camped in a small room or never played anyone good because I've seen players go HAM with scouts....I got killed by the cydonia and the trax mallus III more than I did shingen....the cydonia is a slower shooting auto rifle with more recoil and the trax mallus III is a auto rifle...how did I get killed by those two weapons more than I got killed by the shingen c which had a way higher ROF was less recoil AND a 44 round mag??

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  • [quote]Lol dude I'm js....if the pulse rifles had less recoil which is what everyone is whining about don't u think people would use them over everything and one burst everyone?? That wouldn't be any fun would it....if scouts had a faster fire rate and less recoil they would have the fastest kill time in the game...they are already 3 shot kills to the body.....if anything hand cannons need a minor buff.....I'm not trashing what ur saying I'm just trying to get u to look at it from a different standpoint[/quote]Even they reduce the recoil of the pulse rifles they would not be a one shot kill weapon. Where are you getting your stats from. The pulse rifle is a 3 round burst weapon...with rifles giving output damage of 14-18%....those little numbers coming off the players when you shoot them are the damage % the weapon you are using is inflicting. Furthermore the pulse rifles,auto rifles,scout rifles and HCs have a 1.5 headshot multiplier....players health are somewhere between 160-200%,not sure on the exact number,need more research,but I know it's more than 100%. I did not say scout rifles need any changes.

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  • So how many headshots does it take to kill with a pulse then ?

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  • [quote]So how many headshots does it take to kill with a pulse then ?[/quote]Depending on which pulse rifle you're using(they have different impact),2-3 burst IF all bullets are on target(head). Not 1 shot.

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  • Bullshit, pulse rifles are garbage...no two ways about it, they just suck. Way too much recoil for what they're supposed to be effective at doing.

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