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8/7/2014 8:31:59 AM
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I paid $60 I deserve to have access to the entire game

Getting a lot of whiners (I know, what's new) about the MM. And one thing I keep hearing is "Why should I be restricted from part of the game, I have a job, wife, family, school whatever, so it should be changed to ensure I can play. After all I paid just as much as you. Yet none of those people stop to think about the players these raids are designed for. And Bungie has been pretty vocal about wanting to have something for every type of gamer. Creating activities for every mood, or every type of gamer, means not everyone is going to like or be able to do every activity. If you're not the type of person that can schedule a time with 5 other people to tackle the hardest co-op experience in the game, then raids weren't designed for you. And it's extremely selfish and entitled of you to say that the raid Bungie designed for those players should cater to your play style. Want MM co-op dungeion, there will be probably 20 times as many strikes designed just for you than there will be raids designed for raiders. Want PVP, well Bungie has you covered as well. Want story, either lone wolf or co-op, covered. Want to explore every nook and cranny of the different worlds, covered. Between strikes, PVP, nighfall events and other limited time activities that Bungie will be providing, the 1 raid is probably like 5% of the available endgame activities. Someone only interested in PVE and skipping out on PVP is going to be missing much more of the game that someone that isn't able to raid. And since powerful exotics can be obtained in every activity, you aren't going to be out gunned by someone that can raid. TL:DR Creating activities for every mood, or every type of gamer, means not everyone is going to like or be able to do every activity. There's still an abundance of activities designed for you.
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  • Edited by aboniks: 8/7/2014 5:58:18 PM
    I bought a Rubiks Cube for $4.99, but I don't have time to solve it. [i] Halp me, Rubiks Cube designer-man, ur mah only hope.[/i]

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    • People seem to forget the impact that matchmaking for raid content had on MMO's, community and lifespan. Case in point: SWTOR didn't have it, some people left. SWTOR put it in, people came back, beat the content and then left in droves because it became accessible and easy. The whole argument then was "I am paying the same, I should get the same. Despite my skill level, time constraints or obligations in life." The whole pander to me because I want it demographic has really punched a hole into the process. This is why we don't see challenging games that never end anymore, this is why up and coming MMO franchises have a 6 month lifespan. Life isn't fair, whatsoever. You took the same classes as a friend, got better grades, made a positive impact in your community. But your friend got the job, you know they were not better suited for it. Guess what, they had friends who helped them, friends they could rely on, friends who had a collective goal. Those friends would never carry a random to success, because the outcome is less predictable. Reality.

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    • I wish people would really stop crying about this. You will need to put forth some time and effort to have a good team to attempt raids with. Simple as that, find a good bunch of guys and have at it. "But I don't have the time".... then why are you gaming? Is that Bungies fault? NOPE. End game content is meant to be extremely hard and not everyone will get to see it or complete it, just how it should be. Why do people that don't have the time or skill deserve the same high end gear as the people that put hours, weeks, months into content to complete it? Simple, they don't. Have you ever played a game like WoW? End game raid content (vanilla WoW was tough) was HARD, and only those that went every week / month got the good loot because they put forth the time and effort. But what is WoW like today? Not really as fun because of arguments like this that Blizzard gave into. Now you can get welfare epics like it's no ones business and you can jump into semi hard random raids that people just rush through, wig out if you aren't a prefect player and that's about it. It's no longer challenging or even fun. But yah, having quick MM gets you into a run faster... Also, why did so many people complain about having such a small friends list last gen, to then get it bumped up to several thousand on the new systems but people are too afraid to make friends to try end game content with? I don't get it. I'm sure while playing the game everyone will come across several people they enjoy running around with. Bungie made the right choice here imo, maybe everyone should wait to play the game to see how well you do first? Maybe you aren't as good as you think and you wouldn't be any help in the runs anyways?? Who knows, wait until you try it before complaining about it.

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      • They have access though. Everyone has opportunity to do a raid (Unless I'm REALLY missing something). They just don't want to capitalize and find 5 other people. It's like finding love. That's arguably one of the most rewarding things about life, but if you never talk to anyone else you never will. I guess you could say some of these forum threads are online dating services in a comparative sense lol... In a month we can all find love in Destiny guys

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      • The fact that raids [b]are[/b] restricted by no matchmaking makes them a much more prestigious event. This adds to Destiny as a game. We should be happy were paying $60 to experience such a multitude of game modes.

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        • Edited by Atom Alchemist: 8/7/2014 6:41:37 PM
          My response to anyone with that argument is thus. you DO have access, you whining little turd. i'm perfectly sure you can enter the raid solo. whether or not you can complete it is YOUR business, also, you pay 60 bucks to access the game, thats it, content within the game can be locked to you, just because you paid the 60 bucks doesn't mean you own everything on teh disc, as disc locked extras have already proven. go cry harder,and then once your done crying, how about you try to improve yourself, make some friends, join a clan, and then you will get to enjoy the endgame pve content.

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          • Edited by Guardian6356: 8/7/2014 6:34:00 PM
            The complaints about there being no MM for the Raids so only people with enough friends can complete the game (which leaves the friendless high and dry) makes as much sense to me as going after auto manufacturers for having cars that can reach top speeds of 150 mph or faster. 98% of the people who own those cars will never be able to drive them at those speeds............so they are not going to get what they payed for. Unless you are a race car driver you will never ever be able to drive it that fast.........so you are paying for something YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO USE!!! So with the lack of MM being a valid complaint for so many people..................making cars that can only go 70 mph should be demanded too.............wouldn't want people paying for things they cannot use.

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          • Well said. Ultimately, everyone [i]does[/i] have access to all parts of the game, though some of those parts require extra effort. If someone isn't willing to put in the leg-work for it, that's their choice.

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          • Edited by Mugen: 8/7/2014 6:13:54 PM
            why design a "large" portion of the game (that has been advertised as the main point of the game essentially) for a very very "small" minority of the community? It doesn't make sense. What is this bs about "if you cant schedule time, its not for you". Can you imagine if Bungie themselves said this. I payed full price for the game. I get access to all content included with the game, including raids. This OP is completely oblivious and unsympathetic to those that have other responsibilities. These arguments against Matchmaking have no validity. You can add the option with a disclaimer simply stating the following: "This mode will be incredibly hard. Perhaps you can all take a moment to put on mics and plan" or something along those lines. This will NOT prevent people from complaining about the difficulty but they cannot say they were not warned. This would actually cause people to maybe I dont know put on their mics and actually try to communicate. Its like they are gonna put 15 rubix cubes in the raid that you have to solve in 10 minutes. Come on people. Additionally those who do not want to use the mode do not have to. Are you afraid that your "friends" wont want to play with you anymore because a mode was added?

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          • Matchmaking should be there as an option. Period. I personally have no need for it because I'll have plenty of friends to play with, but for those that don't have a full team of 6 to take on a Raid, this is the simplest way to solve that problem. If I want to take on a Raid with a group of randoms, that should be my decision to make. If we fail, we fail and if we succeed, we succeed. The alternative to matchmaking is what? Going on a website, like this very website, and starting a topic to get some people together to attempt a Raid. How is that any different from matchmaking? I still have no connection to these players, we're getting together solely because we have to in order to play a certain part of the game. Its still matchmaking, its just we're doing the matchmaking instead of the game doing the matchmaking.

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            • its a game who cares how much you paid, people com plane about world of tanks and its free who cares that you put $60 dollars on the game i know people who are putting $100 on it i love the game for one reason Bungie made it that's it i love all their games.

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            • You'll get nothing and you'll like it!

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            • agreed

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            • What's next? People are going to argue that carpool lanes are BS because only people who have one or more passengers are allowed to use them? Seriously, if you want to play raids that badly, you will find 5 people to form up a group, and herp derp your way halfway through (if you're lucky) before one or more of them leave for no apparent reason, and you're stuck either having to quit due to difficulty, or time restraints. I'm so glad Bungie is sticking to their guns on this. Even if I don't have enough friends online, or what have you, I'll still be able to do everything else in destiny, including farming for the same gear I'll be getting out of raids. (just probably not as likely to drop).

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            • You no-lifers can enjoy your raids.

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              • Very good post. I've thought long and hard on this topic. I've thought about my favorite raid gaming experiences and the most frustrating. The best gaming experience I've had hands-down was when I was gaming with a cool bunch of people that knew their role and skill level. We had great communication and we genuinely wanted each other to succeed. The worst experiences was playing with people who didn't know the raid's mission objectives or left the raid early leaving everyone else holding the bag. Disrespectful players insulting other players or no communication at all will also sink a raid. These are only a few things, but the list can go on forever. Bungie is trying to tell us something, but many of us still won't listen. They are telling us we need step our game up (no pun). They are telling us that they are going to challenge us and hold us accountable as gamers and a gaming community. If the raids are as challenging as speculated, I don't want to be in there with just some random dude. I want to be there with my brother/sister -in-arms. I want to be in there with the dream-team-awesome-squad that was collectively put together for a common goal. If you can take the time to login to forums and complain that there isn't MM for the raids, then you can login to the forums and do a group/clan shout to put together a raid squad. At the end of the day, I trust the guys at Bungie. These dudes are not only creators and developers, there are also innovators. I'm not saying it will work 100% as intended and if it doesn't, I'm sure they will make the necessary adjustments. We have to give it a chance people.

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              • Well, I bought one here in Russia for 300$, and I'm definetely buying the second one, gonna sell the hell out of it! Lol

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              • Edited by Skella : 8/7/2014 5:23:16 PM
                Just realized your title was sarcastic. G8 B8 M8

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              • Totally agree. Raids were not conceived for people with not enough time for them, or people unwilling to put forth some effort. Very well put.

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              • The thing is the raid content isnt denied to them period end of story its open to anyone

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              • This is an outrage!!!! Bungie needs to make everything accessible for everyone, no matter the circumstances. Raids and Strikes should be easy enough to solo, and give you the best guns every time, without question. Why are they singling me out? I should only be able to pay $25 for the game, since that is as much time I can put into it. [spoiler]If you couldn't tell, it was a joke.[/spoiler]

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                • From what a lot of people are saying, Raids will say "Players 1-6" meaning you don't [i]have[/i] to have 6 players. If they're right, that means you could solo a raid. Will it be difficult? Yes. But would it be possible to do it in a week? Yes. If you don't want that kind of challenge, nothing is stopping you from starting a topic on here looking for a fireteam. Same with PvP. There's a lot of resources that make it possible for even a working family man to schedule some activities so I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Raid matchmaking make would just make it quicker to find players, but raids are not supposed to be taken that lightly. TL;DR If you don't want to solo a raid, make a fireteam recruiting thread.

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                • You should just have the option of matchmaking or not! I don't see what's so difficult about it. If you have 6 people then no need to find anyone else!

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                • No one is restricted from anything. Raids are open and available to play for everyone. If you can't find friends or time to play, that's your fault.

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                  • I guess I am always confused by comments like: "I paid $60 I deserve access to the entire game" Do people really feel that they are being prevented from participating in raids? The ability to group up is there, for everybody. People with clans as well as those without. Just get 5 other like-minded, similarly skilled people with the same goal and group up. Easier for those with a huge friends list but not impossible for the lone wolf either. I myself have, four friends I play with. If we don't join a clan than we will more than likely have to fill those two spots when the time comes to raid. In regards to MM I am having a hard time seeing the opposition to it. Who cares how the group is formed? If you have a group don't use it. It's as simple as that. The more important part is the difficulty of the raid. I don't care if improperly geared or skilled people try to raid. Let them beat their heads against the wall if they so chose it. I just don't want the skill level changed because they can get a group together to raid but cant complete it. It's supposed to be difficult. That was one of the biggest deciding factors for me to quit WoW was the dumbing down of everything. I was ok with not having the best gear out there. I would work my hardest to get it but if I didn't so be it. If the raids are too difficult now wait. Eventually they will add levels/gear and then you can see the content that was "unavailable" to you.

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                  • The content is there. Whether you can access it or not because of your time schedule is not Bungie's problem. Are people really this stupid?

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