Isnt this thread from 2013? Why are we bumbing this now?
Anyway, it looks to me like you are applying a double standard:
Micosoft aqquires Bungie to boost xbox sales., and you state that it was for the best.
But then why is it bad when Sony basically does the same, except they only get timed exclusives for their money?
Btw, I disagree that it was for the best. From my POV the PC was robbed of a series that could have rivaled BF and COD. I remember waiting eagerly for news until I suddenly learned that it had turned into an Xbox exclusive.
I ended up buying a Xbox. Mission accomplished,Microsoft.
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[quote]Micosoft aqquires Bungie to boost xbox sales., and you state that it was for the best. But then why is it bad when Sony basically does the same, except they only get timed exclusives for their money?[/quote] Bungie wouldn't exist otherwise. Microsoft purchased Bungie because Bungie did not have the resources to create Halo. If they wanted to continue as a developer, they had to be purchased. Thus they had no choice. They have willingly forsaken their customers with this Sony deal, which is why it is different. [quote] From my POV the PC was robbed of a series that could have rivaled BF and COD. [/quote]Halo wouldn't have ever been created if Bungie did not get purchased by Microsoft. Thus you might not even have Battlefield or Call of Duty as they are now without the innovations Halo presented to the gaming industry.
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Thats a pretty bold statement "No Halo without Microsoft" The closest I can find to that is [quote]O'Donnell stated in a Bungie podcast that this recall created some financial uncertainty, although accepting the offer was not something "Bungie had to do."[15][/quote] In other words, they could have done without. So I might just as well claim that we would have gotten an inerfior Destiny if not for the extra cash provided by Sony. Also, Bungie [i]had[/i] an existing fanbase which got ditched completely in favour of the xbox. So while I have sympathy for the xboxers that are getting left a bit out, I lose that sympathy when they tell me that the Halo deal was completely different.
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[quote]In other words, they could have done without.[/quote]Allow me to clarify. Halo was, at the time, going to be a third person shooter (which is after its transformation from an RTS game). It was the resources Microsoft was able to provide Bungie that allowed them to make the project in what we now know as Halo because they did not have the resources to do so on their own. Thus we would not have Halo in its current form, or even its current genre, if Microsoft did not purchase Bungie. Thus it would not have had its impact on the industry that we all now know it to have given. [quote] So I might just as well claim that we would have gotten an inerfior Destiny if not for the extra cash provided by Sony.[/quote] Activision allotted $500,000,000 towards Destiny development and marketing (in total, mind you). The deal with Sony came after this contract, and simply served to save Activision some of that money since Sony would be marketing Destiny themselves to better advertise their product. The money would have gotten to Destiny regardless. [quote] Also, Bungie [i]had[/i] an existing fanbase which got ditched completely in favour of the xbox.[/quote]The discussion of the Mac is already addressed in the post.
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[quote]Activision allotted $500,000,000 towards Destiny development and marketing (in total, mind you). The deal with Sony came after this contract, and simply served to save Activision some of that money since Sony would be marketing Destiny themselves to better advertise their product. The money would have gotten to Destiny regardless. [/quote] I am pretty sure Bungie has denied the fabled $500.000.000 budget. That was more on the line of what they would spend on the series during the next decade. And of course that will only happen if the game is a huge succes. And getting money from Sony will count toward that success, so again: Money from Sony = More Destiny. Again, if you accept exclusives then you will also have to accept those that goes against you. I would rather that all games were multiplatform, but as exclusive deals goes this one is insignificant, and the complaining is totally out of proportion.
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[quote] I am pretty sure Bungie has denied the fabled $500.000.000 budget. That was more on the line of what they would spend on the series during the next decade. And of course that will only happen if the game is a huge succes.[/quote][url=http://www.gamespot.com/articles/destiny-budget-nowhere-near-500-million-bungie-says/1100-6420802/]It is long term, yes.[/url] [quote] And getting money from Sony will count toward that success, so again: Money from Sony = More Destiny.[/quote]The money from Sony saves Activison money on marketing the first Destiny game, hence the deal. The deal was not necessary to create Destiny as Microsoft's was to create Halo. [quote] Again, if you accept exclusives then you will also have to accept those that goes against you.[/quote]There's a reason I'm not complaining that Bloodbourne is a PS4 exclusive despite myself loving Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2, having 100%ed both games.
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Are you downplaying? Or really trying to say that Sony isn't backing Destiny and really just backing Activision and that ends with this summers marketing? I'm not so sure about all that.
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[quote]Or really trying to say that Sony isn't backing Destiny and really just backing Activision and that ends with this summers marketing? [/quote]Sony is backing Destiny. That is because Activision gave the deal to Sony and Sony if Sony is able to publicize the fact that Destiny is 'better' on the Playstation enough, that benefits Sony in the longrun. This same process saves Activision a ton of money on marketing since Sony has the will to advertise on their own. I have no doubt whatsoever that this deal will continue long after this Summer.
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Oh. I wasn't sure. I'd really like to understand this all better than I actually do. What is the actual deal between the three entities? Can you hook a bro up with some sweet links?
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[url=http://documents.latimes.com/bungie-activision-contract/]Bungie has a partnership with Activision[/url]. [url=http://www.charlieintel.com/2013/06/21/activisions-ceo-explains-reasonings-behind-partnership-with-microsoft-for-call-of-duty-dlc/]Activision has the partnership with Sony, not Bungie because it saves Activision publishing money and gives Sony something to promote their consoles[/url]. It's more of a line than a triangle- both Sony and Bungie are tied to Activision, not each other.
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Edited by Wax: 7/10/2014 10:05:44 PM[quote][url=http://documents.latimes.com/bungie-activision-contract/]Bungie has a partnership with Activision[/url]. [url=http://www.charlieintel.com/2013/06/21/activisions-ceo-explains-reasonings-behind-partnership-with-microsoft-for-call-of-duty-dlc/]Activision has the partnership with Sony, not Bungie because it saves Activision publishing money and gives Sony something to promote their consoles[/url]. It's more of a line than a triangle- both Sony and Bungie are tied to Activision, not each other.[/quote] alright, yeah, Old news. I definitely understand all that stuff. There is really no way to predict how long and far this console stress stuff will go on for? I wish there was a way I could fix this. I mean PS4 is killing XB1 and has been, so maybe this won't have to be the case over the next 10 years? I wonder how much the role of Destiny is really effecting console sales. Like will all DLC go to PS4 first? I'm guessing Destiny 2 or whatever comes next won't be on the ps3 or 360 at all, right? This is going to be one hell of a ride.
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I got ya. I roll a lot on emotion or my gut, but I don't like being a completely uninformed consumer. I'll check it out. Thanks Much.
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[quote]There's a reason I'm not complaining that Bloodbourne is a PS4 exclusive despite myself loving Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2, having 100%ed both games.[/quote] Well, I just dont see where the difference is then. Like they say in the Mafia: Nothing personal, just business. While it [i]does[/i] suck to be Xbox during the beta, that doesnt mean that it is unfair or a "betrayal". It is business as usual when exclusives are in play.
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[quote]Well, I just dont see where the difference is then.[/quote]Well sir, it's in the history of the company. From Software is not an Xbox developer. They produced games for the Playstation. Dark Souls 1 and 2 were both multiplatform, with true exclusives going to the Playstation. But this was acceptable- From Software had a history on Playstation, and despit the fact that I would have loved to do things such as play the Dark Souls II Beta (unavailable on the Xbox 360), I understood that they had an established community they were pleasing. Bungie was in a similar situation. The difference was that whereas From Software is not famous for being a community oriented developer, Bungie is. Thus the transformation from a community oriented developer to a business oriented developer at the cost of their existing community is a sad thing.
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[quote] Bungie was in a similar situation. The difference was that whereas From Software is not famous for being a community oriented developer, Bungie is. Thus the transformation from a community oriented developer to a business oriented developer at the cost of their existing community is a sad thing.[/quote] We are talking about a gaming franchise that has run for a decade and is owned by Micosoft. I guarantee that they have been business oriented. Also, dont confuse community-oriented with xbox-oriented. Of course all the community has been xbox, since MS practically handcuffed them to that portal. But that is over now, and they would like to expand the community. That doesnt make them more or less business oriented than before. If Sony wants to pay get something extra and MS doesnt, well that is how a business work.
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[quote]We are talking about a gaming franchise that has run for a decade and is owned by Micosoft.[/quote]No. We are talking about Bungie, not their product. Do not confuse the two. [quote] I guarantee that they have been business oriented. Also, dont confuse community-oriented with xbox-oriented. [/quote]I'm not, but thank you. [quote] But that is over now, and they would like to expand the community. That doesnt make them more or less business oriented than before.[/quote]You can expand the community without alienating your existing fanbase. That's the point of half the thread, friend. [quote] If Sony wants to pay get something extra and MS doesnt, well that is how a business work.[/quote]It isn't about Microsoft not wanting it- Sony was given the offer. But that's irrelevant. What you just said only emphasizes the business orientation overtaking the community orientation.
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Edited by Vreki: 7/10/2014 10:25:10 PM[quote]You can expand the community without alienating your existing fanbase. That's the point of half the thread, friend. [/quote] Indeed that is the point, because I believe that is exactly what Bungie has done. Xbox is still getting the full game, has a ghost edition etc. Nobody has been left behind. But Sony has paid for and is getting a Destiny+. This isnt going to make much of an impact on the xbox experience, and yet every third post on the forum is about this. And I honestly dont see why. It will not matter at all when the game has been out a few weeks, and the two playergroups will never meet online, so there are no balance issues. What is the big deal?
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[quote]because I believe that is exactly what Bungie has done. [/quote]I feel alienated. Thus, I am by definition alienated whether you think you would feel the same way in my position or not. [quote] Xbox is still getting the full game, has a ghost edition etc. Nobody has been left behind. [/quote]The Xbox is getting much content far later, and is being ignored by Bungie itself. [quote] But Sony has paid for and is getting a Destiny+.[/quote]Business orientated over community oriented. Hence the thread. [quote] What is the big feal?[/quote]The big deal is over Bungie's switch from a community oriented developer to a business oriented developer, forsaking a large number of their established fans.