Judaism condemned homosexuality because the Jewish people were an actual tribal population. The best way to grow and thus be able to better defend themselves from other tribes was to make sex solely about procreation. Since gay sex doesn't lead to procreation it was forbidden.
Christianity basically took the Torah and called it the Old Testament. There's no direct mention of homosexuality in the New Testament, let alone a condemnation of it. And Christianity is based upon the New Testament.
Christians that "hate" gays are ignorant of their own religion, and therefore not worth listening to.
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There sure is read Romans. Jesus talked about it as well. Love people commenting on the bible when they've either never read it or are too ignorant to understand it
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A whole city was destroyed by God because they predicted homosexuality
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Edited by Masterful: 5/21/2014 5:40:33 PM*Sigh* Paul wrote numerous times that homosexual activity is a sin. Paul is a new testament writer. It's not being ignorant. Though actually hating gays would be ignorant.
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But Jesus said nothing against it, and Paulus never even met him.
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So? Paul was ordained by Christ. There are many things that Jesus never said that the rest of the bible elaborates on or qualifies.
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Post the passages as proof then. There is no [i]direct[/i] mention of homosexuality and at most there are only a few passages that refer to activities that can be possibly interpreted as homosexuality.
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Edited by Stalwart: 5/21/2014 3:39:46 PM1st Timothy 1:9-11:[quote] 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing [b]homosexuality[/b], for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.[/quote] 1st Corinthians 6:9-10: [quote]9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor [b]men who have sex with men[/b] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.[/quote] From the NIV translation.
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Nope. The concept of homosexuality and even the word are fairly recent inventions. Those passages weren't even linked to gay sex until the 1940's. Basically bad translations have led to ignorance.
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Edited by Stalwart: 5/21/2014 5:32:24 PM[quote]Basically bad translations have led to ignorance.[/quote] do you want the original Aramaic, or Greek then? sound good to you? Here's the passage from Corinthians from the King James version, a translation much older than the 20th century translations you're choosing to reject: [quote]9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, [b]nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind[/b], 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.[/quote] [quote]nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind[/quote] This describes gays pretty well right here. and King James version for the 1st Timothy passage: [quote]9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, [b]for them that defile themselves with mankind[/b], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;[/quote] If anything, the older translations describe homosexuality in worse terms.
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Just have to add how differently this passage is worded compared to recent revisions. If you can't see that or don't question how much interpretation has changed since the original document, then you are believing simply what others want you to believe [i]today[/i] instead of what they wanted people to believe circa 300AD.
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The concept of homosexuality is not new, you said it yourself. If the ancient Jews banned it, how can it be a recent invention? The belief that homosexuality is wrong was passed on from the Jews to Christianity. While the word may be new, the concept and definition is not. You can find homosexuality in the Bible/Torah as early as Genesis.
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They condemned men having sex with each other. Homesexuality wasn't a concept to them. Also notice how women having sex with women is never mentioned. How can they ban homosexuality if they don't even mention half of the equation?
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Omg. Denial much?
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Edited by Ktan_Dantaktee: 5/21/2014 4:10:28 PMIn order for a man to have sex with one another, they would have to be attracted to one another. The definition of homosexuality is: Sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex So, when Paul said "Men who practice homosexuality," he meant men having sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex. He said that THAT was wrong. So in order to find it wrong, it would have to be a concept to them.
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Wrong. Do you think men in prison are attracted to one another? Gay sex isn't always about attraction. Why would anyone even care if men were attracted to one another so long as they were still procreating? They didn't. They saw the actual act of gay sex as a waste, and therefore condemned it. They didn't give a shit about people's attractions or intentions.
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Edited by Ktan_Dantaktee: 5/21/2014 4:25:27 PMYou just admitted that homosexuality is a choice. And the biggest flaw in your argument is that you continually say it was banned simply because it didn't procreate. Jews and Christians ban it because it is unnatural and a sin against God, not for some stupid tribal reason. You're thinking of the argument in a way without God, which is why it is inherently flawed. Without such an argument, you can just continually go around in circles, constantly defending a flawed argument. TL;DR: God says men having sex with men and women having sex with women is wrong, therefore it is wrong, regardless of choice or preference. It is not about waste or not, it is what we believe to be right or wrong. And one other thing; Christians read the Old and New Testaments equally, so God saying "Don't do this" in the Old Testament is the same as him saying it in the New Testament.
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No I didn't. Having sex with a man is not in and of itself homosexuality. Men can be attracted to other men, yet because of society they will hide their sexuality and marry women. That doesn't make them straight, just like a straight man having sex with another man doesn't make them gay. [quote]Jews and Christians ban it because it is unnatural and a sin against God, not for some stupid tribal reason.[/quote] You know nothing about history. It's kind of pathetic, actually.
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You are pathetic... and apparently uneducated and quite ignorant.
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Edited by Ktan_Dantaktee: 5/21/2014 4:33:26 PMFalse, I was taught a different interpretation of history than you were. You were taught history as if there were no God, while I was taught the opposite. Your way of thinking is that Abram left the city of Ur because he just randomly decided to go out and create a flourishing tribe. My way of thinking is that God commanded him to go out of the corrupt city and start a more godly civilization, one where sins like homosexuality were not allowed.
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History has nothing to do with God. History is based on facts and events. The existence of God is not a fact, it's speculation, therefore whatever you learned is not real history. Period.
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God is fact. Delusion is very real and the crazy often don't realise they are crazy. Reason leads one to believe there is a God not the other way around.
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Lol attributing all the things you don't take the time to understand to the divine, yet everyone else is delusional. Perfect.
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Edited by Ktan_Dantaktee: 5/21/2014 4:38:42 PMTo me, the existence of God IS fact. If you wish to start going on what is and is not fact, then technically all of history could be false. After all, we know all we know about history from some old books and stories that have been passed down for millennia. If you're going to discredit the validity of one book, then I recommend questioning the validity of all books; if one is wrong, then it is reasonable to assume others are as well.
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Except when the book was compiled and edited to meet a political agenda 300 years after the supposed life of JC. And we all know that any and all evidence against the Bible and God is the devil's work. Sheesh guys c'mon, don't use circular logic now!
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To me, the existence of Xenu is fact.