Personally I think the "born-again" people are either emotionally weak, or lack critical thinking skills. There is NO WAY one could possess the knowledge and understanding of there being no god as much as say... Richard Dawkins, and then legitimately become theistic. No one could logically conclude that.
Most of these re-theists (if you will) are a little sceptical of god, yet have very little knowledge about scientific processes such as quantum mechanics or evolution. They can also simply be too scared to see a world without a happy ending. So therefor they quickly relapse and become religious again. Their atheistic views were never really that strong to begin with.
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Edited by Symmetry: 5/7/2014 6:08:05 PMThe most stupid post yet.
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Edited by SolanGoose: 5/12/2014 6:07:02 AMWhen you were in grade 3 (so last year), your teacher read all of your journal entries to your peers when you missed class one day. Then he wiped his ass with the pages and the whole class took turns pissing on it and lighting it on fire. No, that was the most stupid post yet. Now go home.
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You've outdone yourself. You proved you can post even something more stupid.
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Edited by SolanGoose: 5/12/2014 6:05:59 AMYes, that was my point. It was stupid. But your comments, they are an ancient and powerful form of ignorance that I dare say I fear, for the sake of the children.
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Here is the way I like to explain religion to theists so they can grasp how I look at things, The Mayans believed in a sun god yes? They sacrificed people by tearing hearts out of their bodies right? Looking back we can say "that was pretty stupid" because we know that the sun isn't *magic* science has proved this We used to think the earth was flat right? We are just magically sitting here on a flat planet with the sun revolving around us? Again science has proved that to not be the case When you watch a magician , are you mesmerized and actually believe it to be magic? Of course not ! Because you have Waltham scepticism or have a general education . But there are a lot of people in this world who believe that that magician is in fact performing *real magic* You laugh at those people and say idiot come on! I bet you laugh at people who say they still believe in Santa or the tooth fairy? Now doesn't the bible have stories of a talking snake that convinces Adam and Eve to eat forbidden fruit ? Do you know of any snakes that talk? Or how about the guy who survived being swalled by a giant fish and lived months inside the belly? Does that not seem silly to you? My problem with religion is that thiests nitpick the parts of the bible to confirm their beliefs .... And laugh at others when in fact it's their beliefs that are a joke in itself ! We need to stop this magical thinking , when in fact it's all just a magician with a slight of hand. Scientific reasoning is the only real truth , just because it hasn't been explained yet , does not make it magic ! It just takes time , to understand ..... Then we can look back and say "wow that religion thing was pretty stupid , maybe we shouldn't have killed all those people because of *gods will?"
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Edited by A Wild Soffish: 5/7/2014 8:39:34 AMAs an atheist, I agree that the bible is obviously false (at least in the specific stories it describes), but until science can explain consciousness, what happens after death, etc., which we may never comprehend, people are still going to be religious and you can't really blame them
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Edited by SolanGoose: 5/12/2014 6:08:21 AMScience has explained consciousness. Neurologists have proven that consciousness is a product of the brain's physiology. It is demonstrable and we can control one's consciousness by controlling brain activity. The only logically conclusion about death based on this scientific evidence is that when one dies, consciousness ends.
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That's exactly what I mean! Just because we have not explained it yet, doesn't make it magic! That's the whole point ! We put blind faith in things we don't understand??? That's not scientific reasoning there. So yes I can blame them. I'm jealous , and I do understand that the thought of nothing after this is uncomfortable. It's comforting to believe in a afterlife .... Wish I could believe it to be true , but it's simply not
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Well I still think there are considerable enough things that science hasn't made any progress on to justify religion. (Except for stuff like anti-evolution stuff, etc.)
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This is possibly the most biased post I have seen on B.net. Never, ever take debate.
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Edited by SolanGoose: 5/7/2014 5:37:13 AMElaborate. I hate it when people make accusations but never explain them. Your comment was pointless and your debating skills are lacking if you don't make an argument. The point of my comment was simply to express that a person who converts from atheism to theism did not do so for scientific reasons because the very concept of faith (which all theists have) is fundamentally unscientific. Anyone who values and TRULY understands the fundamentals of the scientific process would not be a theist. Faith is not scientific. PS: If me saying "relapse" was the biased or insulting part then I am chuckling because it was intentionally meant to be a jab at theists because of the individuals who use the term "recovering atheist". Chill, brotha.
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Ok. My argument is that you need to respect everyone's beliefs. Not that science is wrong. My point: just because someone does not share the same beliefs as you, a la God, doesn't mean they are wrong. Supporting evidence/example: i can have the opinion that pie is good. You can disagree. Neither one of us is correct. You can neither prove nor disprove God being real or fake. There is evidence that certain stuff in the Bible did not happen. Granted. But, that proves that parts of the Bible are incorrect. However, it was written by men over thousands of years. And Man isn't perfect. Thus, Man will make mistakes.
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Edited by SolanGoose: 5/9/2014 3:04:19 AMI don't have to respect anyone's beliefs. I have to respect the person, but not their beliefs. If something is stupid, I will say it is stupid and explain why, not let others be influenced by ignorance and lies. The problem is that religions are not compatible. Yes we have our own opinions about a pie, but when it comes to god or no god, someone is wrong and someone is right. My beliefs contradict his. But this was not about him having different beliefs than me, it's about fact and fiction. One of us must be wrong. There are no beliefs or opinions in that. It is the difference between metaphysics and abstract concepts like preference. I would never argue with someone about whether a pie is good or not, but facts, yes.
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Nearly cut myself on that edge
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Speak sense.
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That's not edgy at all. It is true, they were likely not an atheist because of objective reasoning, it was probably "The world is so bad so god can't exist" kind of shit.
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That had to be the most biased and unintentionally insulting post I've ever seen...Unless you meant it to be insulting.
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Edited by SolanGoose: 3/20/2014 5:44:02 PMNo one really should be insulted by it. Unless of course, they are emotionally weak, like I said. It was not biased either. Look: Some people are simply ignorant of science. That's not an insult. Although I'd recommend they research more. Some people are emotionally weak. That's not an insult. That can even be a good thing sometimes. Everybody is different. We all have different hormones and neurotransmitters. What I am saying is that, I can't think of any logical reasons for one to be an atheist and then become theistic other than weak scepticism and lack of effort to further research reasons for their scepticism, OR being emotionally weak. It's already been established that religious views are irrational. They simply do not hold up against the logic and science surrounding atheistic arguments. Any argument that a theist has found that is more convincing than the atheistic argument is simply lack of understanding on the person's part. I would ask people to show me greater logic or scientific demonstration, but I grow weary of this because I come upon the same arguments over and over and over that I have already seen disproven time and time again.
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But bro, that's just what theists "believe" and have "faith" so argument is over.... Lol thu always win with that line! Am I right ? Though if you were to ask a scientist/lawyer/etc to explain a logical explanation to a conclusion they came to, then they said "it's just what I believe " they would be laughed at and most undoubtably lose all credibility.
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Theistic doesn't mean ignorant of science, I'm a christian and I'm fascinated with science. I love learning about how the universe works, and it doesn't conflict with my faith if anything it strengthens it. Now I'm not here to debate the existence of god, I've gotten tired of that. I'm just saying that not all theists believe in those same beliefs like "there is no evolution" or "the earth is only 6,000 years old" or whatever. Science and religion don't need to contradict, the only reason they do is because people decide they need to. I don't care what you believe, but just don't toss everyone into one pile just because they share the same general belief.
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If you think quantum mechanics "strengthen" your Christian beliefs, you obviously don't understand quantum mechanics. You can't mindlessly throw God behind everything and say it makes sense. "God created lightning" "No, *explains scientific process* ... forms lightning" "Well..... God created that process" It is just a constant, blind, game of leap frog with no attention to detail or logic.
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Exactly ! Omg ur my hero
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Edited by Mr SexBot: 3/20/2014 6:14:00 AMOh, yes, just because I have a different belief than you must mean I don't have a proper understanding of something, that's really arrogant and asinine. Everyone has different beliefs on the way things are, and they all think they're right and everyone else is wrong. Well let me tell you something, with that many people thinking they're right somebody has to be wrong. You're going to have to accept that you could be wrong because there is no proof that proves you right and the same thing goes for me. You know if people stopped trying to be right all the time and actually went out and did something with their lives the world would be a much better place.
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Edited by SolanGoose: 3/20/2014 5:47:52 PMIf an argument is stronger and more logical than another, yet you continue to believe a different one that is not logical, that is proof that you clearly do not understand the logic of the other argument. 2 + 2 = 4. Believing that the answer is something different shows you obviously do not understand it. Science works the same way. You cannot logically conclude that god must be real based on science. That is distinctly why I mentioned that emotional weakness is another reason for why one might be religious. My beliefs don't need "proof". I am simply declining YOUR beliefs because of your lack of proof. I lack the belief in a god. There is no evidence for one. Maybe there is a god, that doesn't make me wrong. It just means I don't believe in it because there is no proof. Try "going out and doing something" like say encouraging the rights of women in Saudi Arabia without wading through all of the religious bullshit first. Irrational thinking is a source of most problems. Arguing is a way of trying to change that.