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2/17/2014 4:19:46 PM
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You know destiny isn't on pc right?
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  • yes, i know its know its not on pc. ive got an xbox one. and main reason is because i like the feel of xbox. its through personal preference not that one is better than the other. id prefer most games be on pc because pc with a controller is just better overall. reason: change any part on pc i want and it makes it better or worse. (if you know what you're doing) you can have a dev kit for anygame and play it on your pc and last but not least i can make mods for games on a pc. (its kinda like do you like minecraft on pc or xbox? and if your smart you'd pick pc because its just better overall

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  • PC isn't better overall, that is a very fanboy thing to say, consoles have their place as do PCs.

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  • not only what i said is true. i didn't even say one was better than the other. i said "i'd prefer most games be on pc because its better overall" stating that it was my opinion. so don't try to change my opinion. when i stated it was what i preferred. not only that but i was saying that with a controller a pc is better than a pc without one. but i was giving my reasons on why i thought it was better than consoles after i said that. you don't have to believe what im saying, but its just why i like somethings about pc more than somethings about a console. so don't get console fanboy defensive with me.

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  • I use all platforms dude, and you said, "and if your smart you'd pick pc because its just better overall" there is even a grammar mistake in there, it's you're. Anyway your the one being defensive, I'm saying both consoles and PCs have their place, (equality buddy) for example PC has better graphics if you have a good enough rig, on console there is better optimization, because there is one console versus the infinite combination of rigs. They are both good for different things, if you can't see that well then I'm sorry.

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  • Well, i understand what your saying. but i was stating towards Minecraft not console vs pc. now i see how you got pc vs console. but tell me which you would prefer. Minecraft pc or minecraft xbox and then give me the reason on why. now i don't want "because my friends play xbox" i want by game features. and then tell me if my facts are correct. also, i'd like to state that my grammar is off but that because im writing a whole heck of a lot more than you sir. so don't pull that i know more than you card/ grammar [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]. because were going off of facts and not personal preference anymore.

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  • You're over reacting a little bit, I corrected your grammar because I felt like it, no more no less. I like Minecraft on PC from a singe player aspect because I get a lot less frame rate drops single player on PC. I like Minecraft on console better from a multiplayer aspect because it is smoother than my PC, which is has a strong possibility be due to optimization. I've been saying from the beginning and I am going to keep saying it because it remains valid. Both Console and PC have their place, they are each good at something, their is no objective winner between them.

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  • read this paragraph (also when i state this im talking in every aspect) ->>>> ("so you'r going to say that pc isn't better than a console. well im going by fact not personal preference. it is somewhat of a fan boyish thing to say. but considering that these games are created on a computer pretty much states what is what. now even thought i dont play pc games that much i believe pc is overall better until we can upgrade our consoles to match the pc. now when it comes to having fun any system is a winner because its what you make it to be. so until you can create a game on an xbox or a playstation they arn't comparable.") i cant deny you're reason for liking multiplayer on xbox. but that means you have to be friends with players) you do have 4 person co-op. but in a multiplayer i believe we are talking in general. that means servers and everything. something pc has over the xbox. now when it come features pc still beats xbox because on xbox you have to have add ons to change the look of the world. ( meaning the creators make the addons) on pc (facts) ANYONE and yes i mean anyone (if they know how to do it) can create their own mod. last id like to add before you comment again. id like to say "yes, im being very serious with this because technology is serious"

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  • It still doesn't change the fact that console multiplayer is more optimized than PC, you're trying to tell me that PC minecraft is objectively better than console minecraft, which isn't true. Both PC minecraft and Console minecraft have a place, console minecraft will have smoother multiplayer while PC will have the features you and I both mentioned. I am repeating the same thing over and over again, what is hard to understand, they both have good things about them. How about this, it is you're [b]opinion[/b] that the PC version of minecraft is better, however that is not fact, the fact is both have features that make them unique and better to some people. That is fact, that is truth, that is what I have been saying the entire time, do you get it now?

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  • okay, i agree when it comes to uniqueness to the player. but.. how on earth would you say one has better optimization?

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  • You know how there are a lot of PC builds, well that makes it harder to optimize versus consoles which only have one specific build.

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  • yeah, there are different pc builds which makes harder to optimize the game minecraft. but im talking in like gaming pc/ laptop. you see if were going to use an xbox "built for gaming" then we have to consider a "pc built for gaming" therefore in a sort of way you cant say that xbox has better optimization. you're going over the assumtion that this person has either both an xbox and an average pc or just some random with a 1gb ram and 2ghz possessor. (which obviously isn't the case)

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  • That is the thing that makes it hard to optimize for, there are so many types of graphics cards, processors, ram, etc, that optimizing is hard, do you know how many gaming PC builds are there, a butt ton. Versus console which only has, one build, one graphics card, one processor, same ram, etc, It makes it so much easier to optimize for. The only thing I'm assuming is that not everyone has the exact same build, which isn't assuming it is fact, your argument says that if they have a gaming PC it will be properly optimized, not true, due to the amount of gaming PC combinations that can be made. An example would be Planetside 2 it was poorly optimized for certain thousand dollar gaming builds, while for others it was fine. It is kind've of Ironic, the thing about PCs is that you can upgrade and swap parts them to make them better, however because this you lose the much easier optimization achieved in consoles.

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  • By that you going of the assumption that it wasn't a Pre-built pc. and yes their are $1000's dollars pc's that have problems with planetside 2 but we arn't talking about planetside 2 right now are we. we are talking about minecraft. do you even know what you're talking about? I unlike most Work on pc's and to be honest im beginning to think you not even worth the time explaining how wrong you are about how console based gaming is compared to computer based gaming. because an xbox one or a ps4 is pretty much a mid grade computer. and if you want to compare the 360 its a low level computer. matter of fact i bet my laptop with a 2 gb video card could have better graphics than it. thats how advanced a pc is. HONESTLY i cant even believe you would compare a console to a pc. the only reason you consider consoles have better optimization is because everyone has the same crap. and thats what makes pc better there's more of a variety of computers and you can take it apart and do what ever you want to it. - i am done! you don't even know your tech boy. look up on google -- "will next gen consoles beat pc" link that i think will help you understand.-http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/next-gen-consoles-will-struggle-to-beat-pc-say-industry-insiders/

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  • You didn't even prove your point, you just spent this post screaming about how you were done, that isn't how you prove me wrong so until, than I will assume I am right. [spoiler]You can't just say you're right with out proof[/spoiler]

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  • Edited by LuckiiTyler: 2/17/2014 8:40:11 PM
    Without proof... LMFAO!!! a PC is proof. it took a pc to build the god forsaken xbox or ps. And without the PC where would you get the games? you wouldn't.. the only thing that makes console based gaming better is that every person you know at-least has one. and last what do you see famous You-tubers playing on at the moment? "PC" because its more simple to get on a pc then it is to use a console, capture the video, send it to a "Personal computer" and then edit it. why do you think syndicate stop using his console as much. I don't need any proof because i've stated it plenty of times. So go ahead and assume you're correct like the rest of the internet "tech" community. because no-one knows what their really talking about.

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  • So you just think that PCs are objectively better, we're back to square one, I don't feel like arguing with someone who doesn't even have an argument other than the typical "I am right and you are wrong" I just tried to say both consoles and PC had their place, I gave my argument, so make an intelligent post and give yours.

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  • Edited by LuckiiTyler: 2/17/2014 9:08:42 PM
    Haha.. wow. Here's the thing. i don't think.. i know that pc's are better than consoles. with out the pc you couldn't do anything with console's and thats you're motto putting things in their place. well im sorry but you can't convince me that a console is statistically better than a pc. im not saying pc's are more fun to play on. and consoles are fun and you can make gaming what you want with friends. but statistically pc's are always going to beat consoles at performance. because they have to develope the technology on a pc before they put one on a console. it makes since . you arn't going to just massively produce technology you arn't sure is going to work. (also, an arguement is when two people don't agree on a certain something. so if you don't like the truth of statistics then get over it!!)

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  • That is an opinion that PC is better than consoles, (fact) how about this, there different types of PCs that aren't as good as console, not all PCs are created equal, (versus consoles which are all the same) and that comment about how PCs are always going to outperform consoles is completely and utterly false, there are PCs that can't run games that consoles can, and games that run better console, I should know, I owned a crappy PC and gamed (and continue to) on it for years. You are right however, about how they do develop on a PC before they put it on a console, but the build they use is one of many PC builds that they have to optimize for, versus optimizing on a console that is a singular build making it easier. I'm know that a lot of PCs run games smoothly and are a hell of lot better then consoles, I also know there are PCs that run games much worse than consoles, these are all facts by the way, so your argument saying PC is objectively better, yeah that is completely wrong. [spoiler]game set match[/spoiler]

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  • (how do you think they have the parts for consoles? they are for pc's) because all you keep bringing up are facts about cheap pre-built pc's. and when you get into the $500-$600 range on a pc. the pc Will out perform the console. see i know most cant afford good gaming computers. but at an even cost of money a pc will out perform. i know because ive owned game consoles since i was 3. when i argue about pc's being better i mean you cant compare a console and a pc. they are different to where you shouldnt compare the two. you see consoles are amazing and i love them but, a maximized pc vs a max latest gen console isnt compare-able a pc can do more than an xbox and thats what makes it statistically better. now if you want to keep arguing about this we can take this off the forums and talk on the phone/skype or on a console. (which is fine by me) but when you make both a pc and a console equal its not fair on a pc's stand point.

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  • Of course a maximized PC will always out-perform a console, I was just saying each had their place and that PCs as a whole are not objectively better than consoles. Each have their own unique features that make them good in their own ways, their is no objective best machine, however that being said if I have to choose between a monster rig, ps4, and xbox one it would be a monster rig (I'll eventually get one, but I'm poor) because I have access to a lot more with a PC , aka the internet and monster graphics. That also being said, I like each of them in their own right because they all have their own features and their own exclusives, Thank you good sir for the debate, I had fun, and I hope you did too. To the people who play consoles [b]and[/b] PCs am I right.

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  • Agreed i was about to give up after you're last comment but i see you did before i got to. anyways have a good evening and if or when you get destiny enjoy it as if were a halo game mixed with borderlands.

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  • so you'r going to say that pc isn't better than a console. well im going by fact not personal preference. it is somewhat of a fan boyish thing to say. but considering that these games are created on a computer pretty much states what is what. now even thought i dont play pc games that much i believe pc is overall better until we can upgrade our consoles to match the pc. now when it comes to having fun any system is a winner because its what you make it to be. so until you can create a game on an xbox or a playstation they arn't comparable.

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  • Being someone who works on computers myself, fart assassin is right, you can't compare the two in any way shape or form. Yes all games are initially programmed on computers, but then they are optimized for a single build for the console, meaning it has been programmed in such a way to play properly on a specific set up. For a pc, one game will not play the same way from pc to pc, each user has to tweak with their own settings themselves, they have to manually optimize the game themselves because the games on pc's are not optimized at all because there are so many builds, the whole console vs pc war is idiotic because it can ultimately be summed up like this. pc's and consoles are both superior and inferior to each other simultaneously, they each have their advantages and disadvantages to one another. To compare them is just useless because you can't compare them, you could even build a pc to mimic that of a xbox one or ps4 and either come up short or with a better machine...pc gaming has too many unknowns because the possibilities are infinite due to the countless builds. Ultimately what it comes down to is the programming. Was this game programmed to work at optimal efficiency with this build? On a console that answer is yes, on a pc the game could crash because there's an unfixable glitch with the graphics card or chipset or any number of things. Believe me I've had a well built machine that was more than capable of running a game only to have it crash because it was not programmed to work with a specific part or the part wasn't designed to be pudhed that hard in that way. So yes, you can make a pc built for gaming tremendously better spec wise than a console, but no game will ever be optimized for it. On a console you can have the smoother running but still know in ur mind that the game's graphics could have been pushed further. I hope this brings light to both of you guys to help settle the dispute

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  • *We had already ended the dispute.

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