I get your idols points, but the way he puts them forward, and the way he talks, with such contempt and hate, is easy to understand why the other guy said what he said.
All in all, they both act like pompous ass douche nozzles.
Whats the point in lamenting your existence, and that of the human race, when you still choose to live. He acts almighty yet hasn't killed himself for the betterment of mankind, all the while preaching a message, he knows damn well wont take as a common way of thinking for the masses.
But yea, both are -blam!- sticks, and the short haired guy sounds like a dick sucking retarded baby fondling donkey -blam!-er.
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[quote]Whats the point in lamenting your existence, and that of the human race, when you still choose to live. He acts almighty yet hasn't killed himself for the betterment of mankind[/quote]There's many (very obvious) answers to this one. Personally, I haven't killed myself because I've developed these things called relationships with people that I care about. If I were to kill myself, it would severely fuck them up, and it's not in my best interest to impose that kind of emotional trauma on another person if my goal is to [i]END ALL SUFFERING[/i]. Additionally, on the legal end of things: It isn't. If I am to die, I want to do it peacefully. Quietly. Painlessly. Humanely. I wouldn't want to degrade myself by pulling a trigger alongside my cranium. That would also add to the friends/family being fucked up thing, too. They'd have to find out that I shot myself, which is grisly enough, and depending on where I decide to do it so I can be found dead legally... The sight of my dead body with a nice gaping hole through my skull wouldn't be a nice one for the family picture book. WOULD IT. Not to mention, there's the possibility of me fucking it up, and getting myself in an even WORSE position, because now I'm practically a vegetable in the hospital, I get to actually WITNESS the suffering of my friends and family, and, goddammit. I actually have to explain this to you. No, no methods like that. I should be able to walk into a clinic, ask for euthanasia pills, and be led to a room where I can peacefully subside. That's how I'd want to kill myself, and I should have the right to do that. But I don't. I do not have that right in America. I don't have the right to die. Everything I have done will have been for naught, and everything I wished to accomplish will be, too. I have things I want to do, and killing myself won't do them. No slave who ever killed himself ended slavery. Their suicide did not solve the problem. The slave trade went on without them. That's a problem. It's not a personal issue. It's a utilitarian issue. I'm not a selfish asshole, I'm a selfless asshole.
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Edited by Capitons Wang: 2/14/2014 2:07:42 PM[quote] It's not a personal issue. It's a utilitarian issue. I'm not a selfish asshole, I'm a selfless asshole.[/quote] You know, i get the whole basic concept of the philosophy, but the way people who adhere to it, and the way they interact with others, always seems so negative. I'm not at either end of those two spectrums. I see that there is nothing but pointless suffering..., whether you are a theist or atheist, there is no point. But i also love to revel in the grandeur of nature, and humanity, there are many great things, and horrible things about us, and the world around us. I cant really ignore either side, i think it can help you to acknowledge the horror of our reality, while balancing the beauty of it.
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[quote]No, no methods like that. I should be able to walk into a clinic, ask for euthanasia pills, and be led to a room where I can peacefully subside. That's how I'd want to kill myself, and I should have the right to do that.[/quote] So say if suddenly you were able to have access to doing something like that, would you go do it then?
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Edited by Verbatim: 2/14/2014 1:45:12 PMNo. I feel like if you read what I typed out, you'd know three reasons why.
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I got it, i agree that there should be a legal form of suicide, but that it shouldnt be an easy process, something you have to go through, like maybe a waiting period with mandatory counseling, unless your gravely ill or in pain that cant be stopped.