originally posted in:Secular Sevens
I am 100% opposed to giving educational power to non-local government.
Students who don't value education aren't going to automatically become motivated once their districts are more funded. Kids who live lives of crime won't just start studying because their teachers give them new equipment. The motivation to elevate yourself above a life of poverty through education is intrinsic. Any kid that goes from a chump to a scholar because they have more material is either an outlier or an entitled prick.
Don't ask me or anyone else to pour money into a school system whose students care more about swag than their future.
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Depriving children of education as a means to motivate is borderline insane, and most certainly would categorize as some form of mild sociopathy.
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He's not depriving children of education! He never said anything like that. You might want to get your eyes checked.
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He said he doesn't want to fairly fund schools because of his racist, ignorant, and arrogant stereotypical view he painted over 1/6th of the nation.
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No. [quote]Students who don't value education aren't going to automatically become motivated once their districts are [b]more funded.[/b] [/quote] [quote]Don't ask me or anyone else to [b]pour money[/b] into a school system whose students care more about swag than their future.[/quote] He doesn't want to pay more, when he knows it won't help. Throwing money at things doesn't fix problems. And racist, really? top lol
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I can't help you if you don't know interpret the posts you read but I've debated with this guy before on the same subject and I know what he believes. [quote]He doesn't want to pay more, when he knows it won't help. Throwing money at things doesn't fix problems.[/quote]Explain then why students who go to better funded schools ultimately do better and go farther? Explain why we shouldn't treat the children of this country with fairness and respect? [quote]And racist, really? top lol[/quote]Seeing as how much of the poor consists of minorities, he painted the entire lower class as having a "swag yolo" culture and believes they are incapable of succeeding no matter what. That's racist, and you'd probably get fired for saying that.
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TBH I would say this to you: [quote]I can't help you if you don't interpret the posts you read[/quote]
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[quote]but I've debated with this guy before on the same subject and I know what he believes.[/quote]
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I came from a poor, single parent household, skipped school, hung out with drug dealers and got arrested twice. Now I'm majoring in mathematics. Sup.
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Edited by HM Rob: 12/31/2013 4:49:04 AMI came from a poor, single-parent household (my mother), had to deal with an alcoholic father before he died, and am now realizing that most people like you and me are flukes. Sup.
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I guess poor people are just naturally stupid
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If we're flukes, it's only because the funding for schools situated in low income areas is so terrible that students do not get the individual attention they need to be taught, on an intuitive and empathetic level, the motivation they need to strive to achieve success in life without resorting to illegitimate means. I was fortunate enough to have the proper counseling, as well as an uncle who was well educated and empathetic enough to encourage me to work hard. It is not realistic to assume everyone who goes to a shit school would have such fortune.
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[quote]Students who don't value education aren't going to automatically become motivated once their districts are more funded.[/quote]Of course not, they're already set in their ways and most likely won't change, but what about the younger ones? The kids that haven't been corrupted like that? It's an investment for the future students, not a fix for the current urban trash.
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Why do you think that the current students are the way they are? It isn't because of poor funding -- it's because their family life is utter shit, and they grow up in a world that emphasizes all of the wrong things. The "urban trash" community needs to develop themselves before people expect others to give them money.
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[quote]The "urban trash" community needs to develop themselves before people expect others to give them money.[/quote]But if Africa can't develop itself then how can you expect its children to?
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Why would you post this?
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Africa? How does Africa have anything to do with urban America?
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Demographics and what-not. Pardon my slight racism. It runs in the family...
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dat classism, what beautiful bigotry
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Edited by HM Rob: 12/31/2013 4:41:14 AMWhat did I say that was "classist"? EDIT: Sorry that I don't support the struggle of YOLO.
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Edited by Seggi: 12/31/2013 5:46:04 AMWell, the idea that people are innately possessing either rich people genes or non-rich people genes would be one thing, as would your denial of the fact that material conditions greatly influence a person's educational accomplishments. Yes, school funding is not the only factor in a student's success - home life (which is again largely determined by their household's wealth, and so comes back to material inequality in a big way) and the attitude at the school (which is usually largely affected by the home lives of [i]other students[/i], compounding the issues material inequality presents) are both quite substantial factors. Yes, a student's individual ability is definitely a big factor as well, but there's a hell of a lot you can do with material changes.
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Teenagers aren't poor people, you ignorant dumbass.