Some more points for why you should feel bad about this:
- Proprietary information. Information such as source code, programs, media, etc... which is in some way valuable could be pilfered from your system(s). While you personally may not believe you have any, businesses do. Take Norton, for example. Last year they [url=http://www.pcworld.com/article/2010584/symantec-leaked-norton-utilities-2006-source-code-already-published-months-ago.html]had the source code to one of their products stolen and publicly released[/url]. That hurts them in more ways than one as well.
- Corporate espionage. The NSA has been [url=http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/10/nsa-busted-conducting-industrial-espionage-in-france-mexico-brazil-and-other-countries.html]spying on private communications of foreign businesses[/url] that cannot be justified as part of national security. How do we know the information the NSA stole hasn't been traded or sold to other, rival businesses? Are we supposed to just trust that they didn't and at this point? -blam!- no.
- Anonymity. If you're on the Internet and deliberately using non-identifying information (which encompasses a huge area), you clearly do value your privacy.
- Blackmail. If some entity has a huge amount of information about you, what's stopping them from using it against you to bend you to their will? If you mention that "the government" is the only entity who has access to it, what's stopping an evil-Snowden from popping up and doing what I've just mentioned?
- International relations. The US has been breaking into every--blam!-ing-thing on the planet and injecting malware into systems everywhere. They've been spying on and monitoring the phones of multiple leaders of countries, and stolen data from a university in China. That's a state-sanctioned attack on another country. The latest news that they've injected extremely low-level malware into devices like hard disks has also brought a consensus that such actions have damaged the US' technology sector. Multiple businesses from what I've read are also refusing to set up shop or store data in the US because of it, instead opting to use data warehouses overseas. Land of opportunity? Not any more.
Edit: I open up the news and what do I see? [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/it-firms-lose-billions-after-nsa-scandal-exposed-by-whistleblower-edward-snowden-9028599.html]IT firms lose billions after NSA scandal exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden[/url].
- Legal protections and trust. Established legal protections (laws) that protect an individual or business' systems should be respected by government agencies too, as well as the trust that the international community would expect from the US. How hypocritical does it look when you sign up for treaties and join the United Nations then go and do shit like this [i]and[/i] to the extent the NSA (and other countries' "national security" agencies) has done it.
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*Ahem* China and friends attack the US all the time and have stolen secret tech from cyber break-ins all the time, and from at least 50 of the big fortune 500 companies like coca-cola. does that justify the actions of a wildy out of control agency? no, but the point being made is that china isn't innocent and isn't really a god example to use as a victim card in this case, being as how they for several years(maybe even a couple decades) now have used a secretive branch of their special ops for dedicated cyberwarfare against the US long before this whole scandal erupted.
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And how many of those were sanctioned by the Chinese government? Because I'm not referring to rogue hackers in a nation, I'm referring to the governments [i]of[/i] nations deliberately and purposefully attacking other nations like what the US does via the NSA. Go ahead and look for the instances of them. I only managed to find [url=http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/05/06/181669131/pentagon-chinas-government-hacked-u-s-networks]one[/url].[quote]The Pentagon has [u][b]for the first time[/b][/u] fingered Beijing directly for cyberattacks against both U.S. government networks and commercial computers, calling the practice a "serious concern."[/quote]
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Edited by Verbatim: 12/30/2013 3:50:16 PM[quote]Information such as source code, programs, media, etc... which is in some way valuable could be pilfered from your system(s).[/quote]Literally, I have nothing. [quote]How do we know the information the NSA stole hasn't been traded or sold to other, rival businesses?[/quote]How do you know I care about [i]this?[/i] Too many assumptions... Trust me, I'm not worried about that, either. [quote]If you're on the Internet and deliberately using non-identifying information (which encompasses a huge area), you clearly do value your privacy.[/quote]Or I just think "Verbatim" sounds cool and is a suitable alias. I've given out my address on this very website, and my full name. This clearly doesn't apply to me. [quote]If some entity has a huge amount of information about you, what's stopping them from using it against you to bend you to their will?[/quote]This is the best point you have so far, except how can you use my information against me if I'm not even ashamed of it? I take accountability for everything I say and everything I do. I'm not worried about being taking advantage of, however you'd even do that. Odds are, if they have information about me that is relevant to a certain subject, I'm liable [i]to[/i] them. Maybe I'd care more if I was a murderer at large. But I'm not. And nothing about me could be used to validate that premise. Nothing. [quote]Land of opportunity? Not any more.[/quote]Where have you been in the last couple [i]decades[/i]. [quote]Established legal protections (laws) that protect an individual or business' systems should be respected by government agencies too[/quote]Sure, if you did a good enough job to explain why this matters, but you still failed. The only things I can concede are that taxpayer dollars shouldn't be spent nearly as much on the NSA, and the government shouldn't inject spyware into PCs before they're sold, scaring away businesses. A back-of-my-mind issue, at best.
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The most irrelevant thing ever? What about it?
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Edited by Elrond Hubbard: 12/30/2013 8:28:05 PM[quote][quote]Information such as source code, programs, media, etc... which is in some way valuable could be pilfered from your system(s).[/quote] Literally, I have nothing. [quote]How do we know the information the NSA stole hasn't been traded or sold to other, rival businesses?[/quote] How do you know I care about this? Too many assumptions... Trust me, I'm not worried about that, either.[/quote] Just because something doesn't apply to you personally doesn't mean it's okay.
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It shouldn't apply to anyone else, is half my point.
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??? I lost you there...
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It couldn't have been any more simply stated. I'm saying, it SHOULDN'T apply to anyone else. It doesn't apply to me, and it shouldn't apply to anyone else. So it doesn't matter to me that other people are affected, because I don't think they truly are. They're doing it to themselves only.
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Edited by Elrond Hubbard: 12/31/2013 5:52:54 PMOhh, I get it now. Thanks. [quote]It couldn't have been any more simply stated.[/quote] Actually, it could have.
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[quote]Edit: I open up the news and what do I see? [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/it-firms-lose-billions-after-nsa-scandal-exposed-by-whistleblower-edward-snowden-9028599.html]IT firms lose billions after NSA scandal exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden[/url].[/quote] Brazil recently decided on which jet fighter jets to buy. They choose the Swedish Saab Gripen over the Boeing F/A-18 because of the fact that the NSA had spied on personal communication by Brazil's president Rousseff. It would be interesting if Boeing decides to sue the US.
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I sure hope so.