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12/2/2013 7:43:03 AM
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First off, discrediting potential, and real, threats has been going on for decades, if not centuries. "Preventive measures" it's called. Second, I really couldn't care less that they know what porn I watch. What would they do with that information that I would care about?
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  • [quote]What would they do with that information that I would care about?[/quote] Sabotage you if you somehow do something the NSA doesn't like.

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  • How many goddamn times do I have to explain to you that they're only targeting those who advocate or encourage terrorism?

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  • For now. You sound like the kind of person that'll say "They're only going against communists and libertarians."

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  • Yes. For now. As in, that is the thing that is currently happening, in reality, rather than the thing you have been claiming is happening, the occurrence of which now or at any point in the future is completely unsubstantiated. The fact is that you keep repeating the claim that the NSA is [i]currently[/i] collecting data (such as records of pornography consumption) for the purposes of neutralising potential aspiring politicians with whom they disagree, and this claim is, as I said, completely unsubstantiated. It is a separate issue from expressing concern that the NSA may, at some point in the future, adapt this (or similar) programs to discredit political candidates or media personalities because of a disagreement, rather than because they represent a threat to national security. Your entire OP is based around this misconception which you have [i]still[/i] yet to clarify, and [i]still[/i] continue to disseminate. Please, stop misinforming people.

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  • For -blam!-s sake all this can happen.

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  • Read my entire post.

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  • Yes I read it. But we both know the tools are there. These are powerful tools which can corrupt and nobody is incorruptible. Now tell me, what the hell do I have to clarify? And no, you're not going to change my opinion on citizen surveillance.

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  • God, you're so utterly convinced that you couldn't possibly be wrong that you've completely read past my point. Let me break it down for in veeeeeery siiiiiimple wooooords: You said a thing was happening. It is not happening. It might happen at some time in the future. These two statements are not the same. Now go and correct your OP.

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  • Yes I understand that you've been saying that for the last five or so posts. And now you're insulting my intelligence, so no, I am not going to change my OP.

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  • [quote]And now you're insulting my intelligence, so no, I am not going to change my OP.[/quote]Not like you would have changed it if he didn't insult your intelligence.

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  • You're right, I'm sorry, that was too harsh. I'm just kind of irked because it seems like you've been ignoring what I've said.

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  • Sabotage me [i]how[/i]? I'm sorry, but I need more than fear-mongering to get me to care about this.

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  • They could easily leak confidential information to the masses to put you i na negative light.

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  • [quote] to the masses[/quote] The "masses" don't give half a crap about me, or you, or anyone else, unless it affects their immediate and personal lives. If the NSA posted on their website that I look at furry porn, or you watch hardcore hentai, who would honestly care beyond the limited amount of people that know you?

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  • Well wouldn't it make you uncomfortable that your friends and family know your pornography habits? This could especially damage you if you went into politics and its not healthy for a democracy if a government organization intentionally sabotages political candidates.

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  • [quote]Well wouldn't it make you uncomfortable that your friends and family know your pornography habits? [/quote] No, because my family loves me and allows me the opportunity to live my life, and my friends and I are also open-minded about how we choose to live our lives. [quote]This could especially damage you if you went into politics[/quote] Highly doubtful. Unless your porn habits consist of CP and other "dark" things, people couldn't care less, and frankly wouldn't want to know in the first place. [quote]and its not healthy for a democracy if a government organization intentionally sabotages political candidates.[/quote] You have any proof of this happening?

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  • Edited by Ninja Guardian: 12/2/2013 8:22:39 AM
    [quote][quote]Well wouldn't it make you uncomfortable that your friends and family know your pornography habits? [/quote] No, because my family loves me and allows me the opportunity to live my life, and my friends and I are also open-minded about how we choose to live our lives. [quote]This could especially damage you if you went into politics[/quote] Highly doubtful. Unless your porn habits consist of CP and other "dark" things, people couldn't care less, and frankly wouldn't want to know in the first place. [quote]and its not healthy for a democracy if a government organization intentionally sabotages political candidates.[/quote] You have any proof of this happening?[/quote] Proof of what happening? The article I linked is proof that porn habits can and will be used against people. For now its being used against jihadist radicalizers, but it could very well be used against politicians against the NSA. Yes, your family loves you, sure, but what if someone else didn't have such a loving family? What if their porn habits were bizarre, like hentai and other weird stuff like rule 34? What if someone else didn't have open minded friends like you? What if someone who was going into politics had a political rival that would use their habits against them? Its not just about you, its others that won't be so lucky. Which is why this has to be stopped. But of course people like you are detrimental to getting this stopped.

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  • [quote]Proof of what happening? The article I linked is proof that porn habits can and will be used against people. For now its being used against jihadist radicalizers, but it could very well be used against politicians against the NSA.[/quote] Did you even read about [i]why[/i] their porn habits were tracked? It was to discredit everything that the radicals were preaching about when it came to their religion and discourage their followers. And once again, unless it's CP, some other dark themed fetish, or infidelity, people don't care about it, and would rather not know. [quote]Yes, your family loves you, sure, but what if someone else didn't have such a loving family? What if their porn habits were bizarre, like hentai and other weird stuff like rule 34?[/quote] Sounds like a crap family to me. Why should you care what they think if they don't accept your flaws? [quote]What if someone else didn't have open minded friends like you?[/quote] Same as above. Except you can get new friends that are able to understand differences of lifestyle choice and don't demand uniformity. [quote]What if someone who was going into politics had a political rival that would use their habits against them?[/quote] Once again, I highly doubt someone would use a sexual fetish (barring the extreme) as a political point. And even if they did, people wouldn't care. [quote]Its not just about you, its others that won't be so lucky. Which is why this has to be stopped. But of course people like you are detrimental to getting this stopped.[/quote] Yeah, I feel so sorry for the radical Muslims who were discredited from this. And people like you have delusions about an all-powerful government. Tell me, do countries like Great Britain scare the daylights out of you?

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  • Edited by Ninja Guardian: 12/2/2013 6:12:28 PM
    Like I said, for now its radical Muslims, later on it could be politicians which the NSA don't agree with, such as moderate politicians against the NSA. Like I said, it isn't just about you, there's a lot of people that would get weirded out by others porn habits to the point of socially ostracizing them anyways. Stop using yourself as an example, which means stop using your friends and family as an example and consider that not every one is lucky to have friends and family like you. I have no qualms of "big government" programs such as universal healthcare and social security, in fact I support such programs. But when the government starts to take ques from 1984 is when I'm uneasy.

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  • [quote]Like I said, for now its radical Muslims, later on it could be politicians which the NSA don't agree with, such as moderate politicians against the NSA.[/quote] Like I said, fringe conspiracy theories don't hold any sway with me. Give facts or get out. [quote]Like I said, it isn't just about you, there's a lot of people that would get weirded out by others porn habits to the point of socially ostracizing them anyways.[/quote] I like to call those people petty and too concerned with other people's business. In other words, their opinion doesn't matter. [quote]Stop using yourself as an example, which means stop using your friends and family as an example and consider that not every one is lucky to have friends and family like you.[/quote] Why would you not have friends that are accepting of you? Sounds like whoever doesn't have that is just clinging to whatever social interaction they can get. Same goes with your "intolerant family" argument. [quote]I have no qualms of "big government" programs such as universal healthcare and social security, in fact I support such programs. But when the government starts to take ques from 1984 is when I'm uneasy.[/quote] [quote]I want government to have a constant presence in my life, but not have a constant presence in my life.[/quote] Fix'd. Try to not contradict yourself next time. [spoiler]It sounds to me like you're projecting your insecurities and conspiracy theories onto people and claiming it to be inevitable. And as a side not, most mentally secure people don't have friends that aren't supportive of them, and have little contact with families that don't do the same.[/spoiler]

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  • [quote] [spoiler]It sounds to me like you're projecting your insecurities and conspiracy theories onto people and claiming it to be inevitable. And as a side not, most mentally secure people don't have friends that aren't supportive of them, and have little contact with families that don't do the same.[/spoiler][/quote] Okay first off I have supportive friends, family-wise? It depends on the context. I'm insecure mostly because I don't like the idea of anyone snooping my personal information. Also, who says that supporting governments with universal healthcare and other social safety nets have to support citizen surveillance programs?

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  • [quote]I'm insecure mostly because I don't like the idea of anyone snooping my personal information.[/quote] Once again, you give yourself too much value. Phil Harrison from Pennsylvania couldn't care less about you. [quote]Also, who says that supporting governments with universal healthcare and other social safety nets have to support citizen surveillance programs?[/quote] Because those programs can be used to gain your personal information as well? Or are those programs impervious to things like personal information leaks? [spoiler]Do you have to try to make such bad points, or does it come naturally?[/spoiler]

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  • The NSA will send them videos of your porn to you parents and will kill you

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