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Edited by Seggi: 11/10/2013 5:10:23 PM
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The Soul of Man is an expression of Wilde's aestheticism, not any kind of socialism he may have held. I love (and own) just about everything he's ever written, but if you're looking for a text on the theory of socialism, that's definitely not the place to start. The same would apply to Thus Spoke Zarathustra, but given that you've a bit of an obsession with Nietzsche, it's not as relevant, so that may be your best bet. Although, that said, I have a feeling that our resident Nietzsche expert would sooner point you towards Beyond Good and Evil than Zarathustra, from my own experience.
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  • Edited by Mister Sparkles : 11/10/2013 8:12:40 PM
    The resident Nietzsche expert being? I think I'll start with Zarathustra simply because it came first, is written in an attractive style and details the fundamental idea of the higher types of men - despite the fact that the Ubermensch itself is just an exaggerated trope.

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  • Edited by Ad Hoc: 11/11/2013 8:31:27 PM
    Seggi is right. Beyond Good and Evil is the better choice. It expands on his ideas in Thus Spoke Zarathrusta, and presents them in a more critical light. There are a number of better books on Socialism than Wilde's. John Keynes' [i]The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money[/i] is a classic (It's where the term 'Keynesian' originated). There's also [i]Progress and Poverty[/i], and of course, [i]The Jungle[/i]. The Jungle isn't about Socialism per se, but it is highly critical of big business and Capitalism.

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  • [quote]Beyond Good and Evil is the better choice. It expands on his ideas in Thus Spoke Zarathrusta, and presents them in a more critical light. [/quote] I don't doubt that it is the better book. But like you said, it expands on ideas presented in TSZ. I'd say I have a fair working knowledge of Nietzsche already, so reading the books themselves isn't necessarily for the sake of expanding my own knowledge, more to read the man himself and perhaps form some clearer opinions of my own on his material. [quote]There are a number of better books on Socialism than Wilde's.[/quote] I don't intend on buying the book to study the theory or application of socialism per se. I'm simply looking to get into Wilde's work, and to see his perception/viewpoint of anarchism, which I share to an uncertain degree. As for anti-capitalism? Kropotkin will satisfy me for now.

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  • Edited by Seggi: 11/12/2013 1:02:26 AM
    [quote]I don't intend on buying the book to study the theory or application of socialism per se. I'm simply looking to get into Wilde's work, and to see his perception/viewpoint of anarchism, which I share to an uncertain degree. [/quote] I'll give you the quick run-down: "I wish we were all socialists so we could all make pretty things" Now go read Dorian Gray.

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  • Nah. Schopenhauer next, boy. I'll get to that Faustian narrative when I'm done understanding the three most important German philosophers.

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  • Dick to German philosophers, go read something for the sake of reading.

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  • But if I can read something AND learn at the same time...

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  • Fair enough :]

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  • ^^eternal way. I've seen him recommend The Gay Science as an intro to Nietzsche on several occasions. It came immediately before Zarathustra.

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