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Edited by Random: 10/1/2013 6:06:18 AM
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Hourly reminder that this is at least mostly, if not completely the Republicans' fault. You can't lose an election, then less than a year later attach whole portions of your party platform (which were rejected in said election) to a bill in order to hold the government hostage and expect it to fly. Modifying a ludicrously unrealistic, impassable bill to make it slightly less ludicrous and impassable is not a "compromise".
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  • So obamas and democrats massive spending didnt help at all. I mean the president is black so anything thats wrong isnt his fault or the dems fault

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  • [quote]You can't lose an election, then less than a year later attach whole portions of your party platform[/quote] Apparently you can. The House republicans are doing what the people who voted for them want. They've moderated their demands 3 times, the senate hasn't budged an inch. I suppose the Democrat version of "compromise" is that they get exactly what they want. - Der

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  • [quote]Apparently you can. The House republicans are doing what the people who voted for them want. They've moderated their demands 3 times, the senate hasn't budged an inch. I suppose the Democrat version of "compromise" is that they get exactly what they want. [/quote] Funny. You do realize that the spending levels would be at the levels Republicans want? The Democrats conceded that to them and have stated so multiple times.

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  • That's an incredibly skewed interpretation of events. Normally I'm no fan of the Democrats, but in this instance you can't even kinda lay the blame on them. It's not a compromise if one group forces you into a position of either capitulating to their demands or everything goes to hell. That is not a reasonable way to conduct politics. Also, it's laughable to pretend that the Republicans tried to compromise but the mean old Democrats just wouldn't meet them half way. It doesn't matter if you agree to take a few bullets out of the magazine, pointing a gun at someone's friend until they agree to your demands is fundamentally unacceptable behavior. If they can't get their ideas passed into law through the existing political framework, then those ideas deserve to fail. But more and more, the Republicans are turning to underhanded tactics to get their way, even going so far as to eliminate voters from elections that wouldn't normally vote for them. The truth is, Republicans are a minority who happen to be well-funded and connected enough to throw around more weight than they deserve to wield, and if money wasn't so hopelessly entangled in our political system they wouldn't be able to pull nearly the same amount of nonsense that they do today.

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  • The republicans have moderated their demands 3 times. First time, they wanted to defund Obamacare. Second time, they wanted to delay Obamacare. Third time, they just wanted to delay the individual mandate. How is this not an attempt at compromise? - Der

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  • Because the definition of compromise is not "do as I say". They're tried this for years, we know it's bullshit, especially when the party openly says that it's goal is to usurp Obama and get rid of Obamacare completely, [i]not matter what the cost. [/i]

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  • No, the definition of compromise is: [quote]agreement: a settlement of a dispute in which two or more sides agree to accept less than they originally wanted[/quote] The republicans were willing to settle for less than they wanted, democrats did not budge. So now who is not compromising? - Der

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  • Because Congress passed the ACA, potus signed it, and scotus confirmed it. If they wanted to change anything about it, they need to go through the same process.

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  • Edited by Quantum: 10/2/2013 6:15:59 AM
    [quote]The republicans were willing to settle for less than they wanted, democrats did not budge.[/quote] Hold up, delaying Obamacare by a year is exactly what they wanted. That was their base demand, and it would only serve to delay the legislation [b]so we can come back to square one next year.[/b] Apparently if Obama does not bow down to Republican demands every 6 months for the last four years he is an uncompromising President. He has already conceded a lot to the GOP. He does not need to conceede more. This is literally holding the country up for ransom. The Tea Party is holding the US for ransom and pretending that saying no to everything Obama does means that Obama is not comrpomising. Let's remember that this is the same Congress initially suggested a bill, but then voted no [b]when Obama supported it.[/b] Bullshit compromise, economic terrorism and holding the country to ransom more like it. Again, the only reason the GOP even controls the house is because [b]they gerrymandered the -blam!- out of the districts in 2010,[/b] won the House, and a [b]minority group in the GOP[/b] is now dictating what the country should and should not do. Even Boehner doesn't like it. That is not compromise. That's -blam!-ing criminal.

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  • Except for the fact that the Republicans rage quit and are the cause for a million people to go without pay.

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  • Yeah, they're just nutters.

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  • Edited by Seggi: 10/1/2013 7:59:24 AM
    The funny thing is that they weren't even trying to pass a budget, they were trying to pass a bill to continue the old budget because they can't agree on a new one. And soon they have to put up with these assholes doing the same bullshit over the debt ceiling.

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  • Their fault? They should be applauded for this minuscule victory. The government SHOULD be held hostage, it's become incredibly reckless.

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  • Holding something hostage? FASCISM!

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  • It's like if someone wants to do something one way, and you want to do it another way, so the first person points a gun at your friend. When you don't back down and your friend gets shot, they blame you for not "compromising."

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  • I thought we [the US government] didn't negotiate with terrorists. The only thing the GOP is missing from being deemed domestic terrorists is a body count. It's sensational, I know. But I've pretty much had it with this petty bullshit.

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  • >implying the government shut-down won't have real, harmful, and potentially deadly consequences for thousands of Americans.

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  • The government are the real terrorists.

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  • Maybe that's why much of the world dislikes America....

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