JavaScript is required to use Bungie.net

Forums

originally posted in:Secular Sevens
9/8/2013 11:31:11 PM
14
I consider myself a liberal but... I find it difficult to sympathize with transgenders. To me it seems like a matter they brought upon themselves. Anyone agree?
English

Posting in language:

 

Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • In the same way that you didn't choose to be a guy, neither did they. That being said, vocal minorities can scare off anyone and ruin people's opinions, and transpeople have one of the worst of them all.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Then you're not a liberal.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • How do you know? We haven't seen his opinion on anything else yet. You don't have to have a certain opinion in every topic to be a liberal.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • 0
    its something that your born with

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • How the -blam!- did they bring it upon themselves?

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • I don't know. I agree with using your body however you want, but changing that body doesn't seem all that great. Instead of trying to FIX the issue they go with it. I see it more as a mental condition that they are choosing not to fix.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Edited by Seggi: 9/13/2013 3:04:08 AM
    They are trying to fix the issue - they're alleviating their gender dysphoria by transitioning to their identified sex. There's no evidence that psychological treatments are terribly effective in the long term at relieving issues associated with gender dysphoria - so your idea that they should be trying to 'fix the issue' rather than 'go with it' actually contradicts the idea that you should let your genitals determine who you are. But we both know that's not your actual motivation for thinking this - you're just transphobic.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Edited by NoelKannagi: 9/9/2013 2:20:00 AM
    I apologize because your comment really pissed me off, but I can tell you do not know much about the subject so if you have any questions about it you can ask me. I would just like to address this post though. You do not have to sympathize with us, but it would be nice if you could simply understand what we deal with. Growing up feeling completely wrong, being told what to think and how to act, and feeling completely uncomfortable with it, so when you try to be yourself, you are scolded and told that it is wrong to be that way. I do not even care about my life at this point because I made a huge mistake. I joined the military without knowing their discriminatory rules first, and I am now stuck, and will probably get out early. This was my attempt to "fix" myself, as you mentioned. I had grown up being told that it was wrong to be myself, so I tried to join a more masculine environment and thought the military would "fix" me, but it actually made things completely worse for me. I rarely even talk to anyone at work anymore, some days I just come home and cry and I have no real friends to go to. I seriously considered suicide last year, but I finally got the courage to ell my mother that I was transgender, and that helped a lot because she was very understanding and wanted to help me in any way she could, and she is in support of me leaving the military as soon as possible. Understand that it is not something you simply "fix". Different people deal with their own personal issues in different ways. And Trans* is an umbrella term, some trans* individuals may feel as if they are female, but choose not to pursue hormonal treatment. I personally am going to start transitioning as soon as I get out of the discriminatory and outdated military which I come to have negative feelings for, at least until they change their policies. People "fix" their issue in different ways, please understand that. I attempted to "fix" myself, and then realized that the only thing I needed to fix was my body. Why is that an issue to anyone else? It is my body, and I am the one who is uncomfortable with it, I am not asking anyone else to pay for it. I am going to get a new job later and try to get health benefits to help pay for my medical stuff, so why should anyone else have any say in what I do with my life? I am a very positive person and am trying to make positive changes in my life to make myself happy, because as I said before, I do not care about my life at all right now.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • What are the military's discriminatory policies of which you speak?

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • If you had a blemish on your body, would you rather alter your mind to make yourself not care about the blemish, or just remove the blemish?

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • In my mind removing the blemish is getting rid of the mental disorder. That is, making yourself feel like whatveer gender you actually are. Changing gender, to me, is like making the blemish worse.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • They blemish is the sex that their body is, not the gender that they actually are. They don't want to change who they are, they want to change what they are (physically I mean).

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • I don't know, dude. I think they definitely should be given the right to do whatever they want with their body, just like how I am pro-choice, but those 2 things aren't necessarily ideas that I think are right. That being said, abortion is obviously worse than transgenderism but deep within my head I feel like people should be happy with what they are given.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • [quote]deep within my head I feel like people should be happy with what they are given.[/quote] That is very silly attitude.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

You are not allowed to view this content.
;
preload icon
preload icon
preload icon