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Lolno
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Actually yes, goku is stronger, faster, and more powerful than superman. It wouldn't even be a fight
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Ha. Lemme just prove you wrong here... Let's start with strength. Superman can [url=http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/415/blackholejq6.jpg]hold a black hole in his fist,[/url] [url=http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1534/satsoontb5.jpg]split one of Saturn's moons,[/url] and [url=http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111113123/2975391-3877249212-26637.jpg]bench the weight of the Earth for five days straight without sunlight[/url]...and he implied he could easily do more if he wanted to. Oh, and there's a certain feat involving a guy named Mageddon I could bring up... Speed: he's [url=http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5884/lightspeedot9.jpg]flown out of the event horizon of a double black hole,[/url] which makes him faster than Goku by default. Batman estimates his overall speed is somewhere around 100,000 times lightspeed. His heat vision can [url=http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9435/suniz1.jpg]reheat the Earth[/url] in place of the sun. Goku would be fried instantly if he got hit by that. He's [url=http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4028/starexplodegk9.jpg]survived an exploding star[/url] as well as getting [url=http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/7061/deathofthenewgods080260co1.jpg]hit by two colliding planets[/url]. So, yeah. He's physically superior to Goku in every way. Also, he's a genius, whereas Goku is dumb as shit.
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Yes goku = dumb as shit but superman isn't a genius. He is significantly above average intellect but definitely not a genius. Batman is a genius. Lex luthor is a genius. Superman...nah. And as far as superman being able to survive exploding stars and all that other crap it is true but he has also been knocked unconscious by various means. He can survive an exploding star one instance and then get knocked out by man generated electricity in other instances. Basically his portrayal is inconsistent. Just like how he has been known to be near death by the presence of kryptonite at times and at other times he can overpower it. But no matter how fast superman is it still takes him time to move through space. Goku can move instantly through space. What's stopping him from taking superman to a planet with a yellow sun rendering him powerless? Nothing.
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[quote]Yes goku = dumb as shit but superman isn't a genius. He is significantly above average intellect but definitely not a genius. Batman is a genius. Lex luthor is a genius. Superman...nah.[/quote] [url=http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Superman_%28Clark_Kent%29#Abilities]"Genius-Level Intellect: Superman has shown incredible intelligence and computational abilities; his mind works sharply and with extreme speed relative to earth-humans. His analytical powers are impressive — he is able to use his senses to read information directly from machines (and, with careful usage of his heat vision, he can even reprogram machines). Recently after he regained his powers in the "One Year Later" arc, his brain's intelligence has increased and it operates with much greater speed, procession, and analytical prowess, to the point he can recall things in such detail that he knows the ballistics of every shot by Bloodshot and the vector and mass of each and every one of Riot's bodies. He can see into one of the most advanced Kryptonian Sun Stone Battle Ships and watch energy patterns shift and change, trace command signals at light speed down branching, maze-like pathways whilst, at the same time, finding one small knot of circuitry."[/url] [quote]And as far as superman being able to survive exploding stars and all that other crap it is true but he has also been knocked unconscious by various means. He can survive an exploding star one instance and then get knocked out by man generated electricity in other instances. Basically his portrayal is inconsistent. Just like how he has been known to be near death by the presence of kryptonite at times and at other times he can overpower it.[/quote] His lower-level feats are PIS, or an asspull on the writer's part. He canonically has planet-busting and star-busting level durability. [quote]But no matter how fast superman is it still takes him time to move through space. Goku can move instantly through space. What's stopping him from taking superman to a planet with a yellow sun rendering him powerless? Nothing.[/quote] ...First off, yellow solar radiation is what powers Superman. I think you mean red solar radiation...which doesn't immediately take his powers away, he just can't draw enough energy from them to use his abilities. Second, Goku doesn't know where a red sun is. Third, Goku doesn't know Superman's power source. Fourth, Goku would have to come in physical contact with Supes in order to Instant Transmission him...and if Goku got anywhere near Superman, he'd get punched in half.
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First, you are correct, I did mean red sun that was my mistake Second, lol nice one Third, touché Third, no he wouldn't. Granted superman punches mofos across the planet on a regular basis, but so does goku Fourth, I am we'll aware if superman's ability to obtain vast amounts of knowledge in a short period of time. However, having knowledge and comprehending knowledge are two different things. Like I said before there is no constant portrayal of superman. In the one year arc he is like a sort of genius but then in other arcs he's very intellectual but not to so great of a degree, then in justice league he is often portrayed as all muscle no brain (which I know isn't true). And it's like that in the comics, the movies, and even the tv shows. He'll be a genius then he'll be average. Or he'll be unstoppable then he'll just have your run of the mill superhuman strength. In the injustice comics they even went so far as to have joker trick him into killing Lois lane and his unborn child (a plot which batman figured out and attempted to stop) and then have joker tell batman he wanted to play on easy. So there's really no way to gage his power. You guys see him as unstoppable but most of the superman I see isn't nearly as strong you make him out to be.
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[quote]Third, no he wouldn't. Granted superman punches mofos across the planet on a regular basis, but so does goku[/quote] If he can punch a moon in half, he can punch Goku in half. [quote]Fourth, I am we'll aware if superman's ability to obtain vast amounts of knowledge in a short period of time. However, having knowledge and comprehending knowledge are two different things.[/quote] He was capable of performing surgery after reading every single medical textbook ever written (in the span of just a few seconds). Comprehension isn't an issue for him. [quote]Like I said before there is no constant portrayal of superman. In the one year arc he is like a sort of genius but then in other arcs he's very intellectual but not to so great of a degree, then in justice league he is often portrayed as all muscle no brain (which I know isn't true). And it's like that in the comics, the movies, and even the tv shows.[/quote] The cartoons and video games aren't canon to the comics. Comic feats count as long as they take place in the New Earth/New 52 'verses, unless they're obvious PIS.
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Goku withstands blasts that can easily obliterate a planet. I'm sure he can take a punch from superman. Also you can't just discredit any superman media for the simple fact that it doesn't support your claim.
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[quote]Goku withstands blasts that can easily obliterate a planet[/quote] No, he doesn't. Namek's destruction would have killed him. Cell's self-destruction [i]did[/i] kill him. Boo's Vanishing Ball would have also killed him. He is not durable enough to take planet-busting attacks. [quote]Also you can't just discredit any superman media for the simple fact that it doesn't support your claim.[/quote] If it's not canon, it's not canon. The cartoons aren't canon, neither is Injustice, and neither are Elseworlds stories. That's all there is to it.
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The destruction if namek didn't even kill freeza who was cut in half. Goku could have survived the explosion but he can't breathe in space so he had to flee to the spaceship where he'd have an oxygen supply. Cell can destroy a planet so an explosion with all his power focused in it would be way stronger than a planet or star exploding and since he was more powerful than goku, goku really didn't stand much of a chance on that one especially considering he was right next to cell And as far as buu goes he is one of the greatest super villains of all time and would destroy superman. So yes you're right on that but it doesn't matter because they're both on equal terms there
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[quote]The destruction if namek didn't even kill freeza who was cut in half. Goku could have survived the explosion but he can't breathe in space so he had to flee to the spaceship where he'd have an oxygen supply.[/quote] Freeza survived because his father went and cyborg'd him up. Before then he was just barely clinging to life and dying...and Superman would have shrugged that off on his worst day. [quote]Cell can destroy a planet so an explosion with all his power focused in it would be way stronger than a planet or star exploding and since he was more powerful than goku, goku really didn't stand much of a chance on that one especially considering he was right next to cell[/quote] More powerful than an exploding [i]star?[/i] No no no, Cell wasn't that powerful. He was a multi-planet-buster, but not a star-buster. [quote]And as far as buu goes he is one of the greatest super villains of all time and would destroy superman.[/quote] Superman beats down bad guys like Darkseid and Imperiex all the time. And compared to those badasses, Boo is [i]nothing.[/i]
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Haha okay there. This is a good time to put my newfound superman knowledge to good use. Please tell me what you think Superman's top power is? What is the heaviest thing he can lift?
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[quote]Please tell me what you think Superman's top power is? What is the heaviest thing he can lift?[/quote] He has no upper limit. In Final Crisis he lifted a book with infinite pages along with Shazam, thus his strength is pretty much infinite.
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Which I agree with, but my "friend" here seems to think Goku's power is greater. I wanted him to tell me what his "thinks" his power limit is, so I may debunk it.
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Ah I see what you're getting at. Eliciting an incorrect response from him to undermine his argument. I like it.
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Thank you, kind sir.
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Let me blow your mind even more. [url=http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=18296]"Since both planets were destroyed, we need to double this, for a total energy of 1.0206e47 joules, or 24,392,925,430,000 yottatons."[/url] Goku has nothing that can even come close to that. And there's one more feat that I'm saving for a rainy day.
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I freaking love Superman now.
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Hnmg. [i]More please. [/i]
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A huge city. Even an asteroid. Especially if he flys up to the sun for a little while
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Okay, no. As you said, Superman gets his power from solar radiation. If you cut off a blue or yellow sun's radiation, he's powerless. Superman is known to bench press a planet for several days without sunlight, whereas Goku couldn't lift 40 tones in the Buu saga. Case dismissed.
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Well congrats to superman for being so strong that he can pick up a planet. Goku can blow up a planet. And superman could never touch him because of instant transmission. Claim dismissed
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Yes, Superman can also blow up planets. He can rip wholes in space-time and fly at the same speed Goku's instant transmission does, so instantly. And Goku has to focus to use the transmissions whereas Kal does not.
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Also. Batman obviously