originally posted in:Secular Sevens
Math is a tool made by man to see how big a log is. Math is as much a key to the physical universe as a screwdriver is.
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? How does "2 plus 2 equals 4" rely on anything other than definitions of 2, 4, addition, and equality?
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It doesn't, that is the point. Much like how a screwdriver is useless without its screws, mathematics is useless without theoretical scenarios. Math isn't real; you can't touch it nor feel it. It's an element created by your mind to try to create something when you can't. It'a like trying to apply a screwdriver to a spiritual plane. In short: Math isn't physical, it's imaginary Screwdrivers aren't imaginary, their physical [i]You can't use one for a purpose it wasn't made to handle.[/i]
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[quote]mathematics is useless without theoretical scenarios[/quote]Not entirely sure what this means or how it relates to the topic [quote]You can't use one for a purpose it wasn't made to handle.[/quote]Math is essential to empirical science, though...
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Math's all a priori, science just applies that to the real world. Math says "If a certain thing exists with these properties, it behaves in this way", and science uses that when it finds one of those things with those properties.
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[quote][Not entirely sure what this means or how it relates to the topic[/quote] It means math doesn't exist. It can only be used in your mind and in theoretical situations, situations that aren't physical. Yeah, you can add rock + rock to equal 2rock, but the logical knowledge and symbols to create those numbers are not part of the physical universe, they're part of your mind. [quote]Math is essential to empirical science, though...[/quote] Math is hardly even necessary for empirical science. You don't need to know math to see, "Dog eats meat. I am meat. Dog eats me." Also, science is simply the understanding of the universe. At most, science can physically be the led on the paper that makes up the letter of a research paper. The universe is already there, science is simply taking note of it.
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[quote]You don't need to know math to see, "Dog eats meat. I am meat. Dog eats me."[/quote]You're right. Now you're applying a *logical* principle... I'm still not getting it.
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I agree. Let's just end this here.
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Wait, you agree to what?
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Agree to disagree, I suppose? I don't know anymore.