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Anita Sarkesian wears makeup. Have I disproven feminism yet?
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  • Sarkeesian is not a feminist. She has described herself as alienated from feminism. She supports segregationist policies, offers no solutions to the supposed problems she raises, and has never actually delved into anything she has ever talked about. Her stances on video games deny them as an art form of intrinsic merit, and she is opposed to artistic portrayals of sex and violence, and her use of "misogynist" is so broad that I find it hard to not be reminded of a witch hunt. And for the amount of money she's been given, the talking-head, gliding-over-all approach is unacceptable from a quality and content standpoint. Her videos suck. She sucks.

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  • [quote]She has described herself as alienated from feminism.[/quote]Can you link me to where she explicitly says she is not a feminist? Even if she did disagree with that, I'd still consider her one. She supports equality of the sexes, while believing that sexism works predominantly against women. Sounds like a feminist to me. [quote]She supports segregationist policies[/quote]I'll assume you're talking about when she praised Japan's segregation of subways. You can agree or disagree with this, I'm sure there are good arguments for either side. But it's not un-feminist to support these laws, since they may be necessary to lessen women's exposure to sexual assault (which, as it turns out, is quite prevalent). And like I said, you can disagree with this law, but that doesn't make the other side un-feminist. It's not as if she supports this law in order to further gender inequality; rather, to defend women from an immediate danger. [quote]offers no solutions to the supposed problems she raises[/quote]If Anita shows us a bunch of sexist tropes in video games, I don't see why this shouldn't be self-sufficient. The user could probably infer what the solution should be (you know, stop using the tropes and giver both sexes equal representation in the media). [quote]and has never actually delved into anything she has ever talked about.[/quote]Yeah it's not like she has a 10+ part series on youtube doing this. I've also found her other 30+ youtube videos to delve into their respective topic just fine, so I don't exactly understand your problem. [quote]Her stances on video games deny them as an art form of intrinsic merit[/quote]What? Because she doesn't divorce them from their cultural context? [quote]and she is opposed to artistic portrayals of sex and violence[/quote]I'd like evidence for this (more specifically, portrayals of sex/violence which are non-misogynistic; in fact, I recall a video where she said that she has no problem with po­rnography so long as it is portraying healthy sex­ual relations). [quote]and her use of "misogynist" is so broad that I find it hard to not be reminded of a witch hunt.[/quote]Such as?

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  • Edited by Aporia: 8/4/2013 7:47:43 PM
    [quote]Can you link me to where she explicitly says she is not a feminist? Even if she did disagree with that, I'd still consider her one. She supports equality of the sexes, while believing that sexism works predominantly against women. Sounds like a feminist to me. [/quote] She never said she wasn't a feminist. I probably shouldn't have either there, because her quote, from her blog about the Slutwalk: [url=http://www.feministfrequency.com/2011/05/link-round-up-feminist-critiques-of-slutwalk/][quote]After listening to a series of interviews and reading a handful of articles, I began feeling alienated within feminism because as Meghan Murphy points out, “… embracing the word slut sounds, to me, a lot like we’ve all drank the systematic kool-aid.”[/quote][/url]Merely points out her ignorance of sex-positive feminism and betrays her needlessly linguistically-conservative stances. This is a product of her buying into the kind of victim-blaming that women are at fault for being r­aped due to their choice in clothes. I find this view backwards and do not consider it truly feminist, but I suppose you could argue that her ultimate goal is equality and therefore she's a feminist regardless of whatever else she holds. [quote]I'd like evidence for this (more specifically, portrayals of sex/violence which are non-misogynistic; in fact, I recall a video where she said that she has no problem with po­rnography so long as it is portraying healthy sex­ual relations). [/quote][url=http://www.feministfrequency.com/2011/01/kanye-wests-monster-misogyny/][quote]I really wish I hadn’t seen Kanye West’s leaked music video for his hit song Monster. I was horrified, furious, livid, angry, and sad; I actually didn’t even get through the whole video the first time I saw it. The sexualized, eroticized, fetishized violence against women and sexist and racist stereotypes is nothing other then blatant misogyny and anyone who thinks otherwise clearly doesn’t understand what misogyny means. [from the now-removed comment section] : This is not about art, this is about the sexualized, glamorized and eroticized depictions of violence against women. That is NEVER acceptable and I'm out right horrified that people will defend these images as art.[/quote][/url] The simple fact is that she fails to recognize art as intrinsically valuable, in addition to being generally culturally ignorant and being immediately dismissive of the imagery. If I didn't respond to one of your points, it's because I'm incredibly lazy or ignorant.

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  • Well keep in mind, as much as you or I disagree with them, sex-negative feminists are still feminists. Nevertheless, I don't think Sarkeesian is sex-negative, as evidenced [url=http://youtu.be/yX5IXYoPzDA?t=3m40s]here[/url]. I don't think she was opposing everything about SlutWalk, but rather, she opposed its use of the word ''slut.'' I don't know much about when it is/isn't acceptable for marginalized groups to try to reclaim negatively-connotated words like ''slut,'' so I don't know if her opinion is valid, but I don't think it came from conservatism or victim-blaming. [quote]The simple fact is that she fails to recognize art as intrinsically valuable, in addition to being generally culturally ignorant and being immediately dismissive of the imagery.[/quote]Yeah I recall a criticism of her Kanye video, that she didn't know the true meaning of Monster (and this true meaning is not misogynistic). Even given this, she still could have made the point that the video is still misogynistic (just because it's not trying to perpetuate negative attitudes doesn't mean it isn't), but since she didn't address his message, you could make the point that she was ignorant of it. But I don't see how that could be anything more than a minor criticism of her.

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  • What 'segregationist policies'? [quote]offers no solutions to the supposed problems she raises[/quote]protip: not writing a damsel in distress is not that complicated. You can figure out with this simple, step-by-step guide: 1. Do not write a damsel in distress I know, it's a long one, but just try to stick with it.

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  • In her Bayonetta video, she notes the problem of sexual harassment in subways and notes that in many countries, such as Japan, there are sex-segregated subways; and she then says she's surprised we don't see them here.

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  • How misandrist of her.

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