JavaScript is required to use Bungie.net

Forums

8/2/2013 8:25:00 PM
32
No. The money is allocated to crucial reason. Cutting the military budget could prove detrimental to our security efforts abroad. -blam!-ing IR 101 people, c'mon.
English

Posting in language:

 

Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • HAHA! "Security efforts" HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Yes, security efforts.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Nothing we have been doing is helping with security efforts in anyway.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Creating spheres of influence - check Creating future allies in hostile regions - check Protecting EEZ's and global trade routes - check Maintaining U.S. hegemony - check Neutralizing threats - check Increase intelligence gather network - check

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • How? Why is that good? No, we're not. Trade is the only means of peace. Attempting to force that only causes problems. That's not a positive thing. WE ARE THE THREAT! We've done nothing but harm others. We've done the exact opposite.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • The first should be obvious, nation/government building is an age old tactic. Trade routes are protected by our navy as well as EEZ, that's not even debatable. Maintaining hegemony is a positive thing, giving up power and influence makes no sense. It's called "self interest" for a reason. This is the real world, silly ideals and fantasies of human compassion and moral duty don't exist. And frankly should not have a dominant place in foreign policy.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • We have a nation and we should only be looking to SHRINK the government, not expand it in anyway. Forcing our way is not a good thing, it is very debatable. It's not positive, it causes most of our problems. We can have power within the confines of the Constitution, bullying the world is not only unnecessary, it's criminal. Morals don't exist? Are you seriously reading your own posts?

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Yes, the illusion that nations should run their foreign policy solely or guided by morals is irrational and counterproductive. The "moral" thing to do could also jeopardize our power and status. And save me the criminal jargon, we've been conducting "criminal" foreign polices since the nations founding. Following the 200+ year old document, and going back to our old (1900's) ways no longer probable due to the ongoing and unstoppable process we cal globalization. And yes, I'm reading my own posts. I've been sticking my head in foreign policy and international relations academic books and journals for three years straight. It's not like I'm speaking out of my ass after reading some articles and watching some Youtube videos.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • How is it irrational? And it's the ONLY way to be productive. Making enemies, wasting resources and sending children to die is productive to you? We can't take care of the world, we need to focus on ourselves and only give a swift response to any direct threat. No, being moral does NOT hinder our power. Globalization is a bad thing, and the Constitution is as relevant and true today as the day t was written. [quote]It's not like I'm speaking out of my ass[/quote] Fooled me.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • No one's suggesting we "take care of the world", at least I'm not. I believe in doing what must be done to further ourselves, and by further ourselves I mean further our power, influence, and global economic reach. And I'm sorry to inform that Globalization is not only a good thing, but it's unstoppable. It is literally, and I mean literally impossible to have a successful, powerful, and influence as the United States, and be an isolationist. Even the sheer size and resources consumed prevents that from happening.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Isolationist=/=non-interventionist

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • In theory no. But in the practical application it'll eventually become isolationism.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • How so?

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Edited by Dr. Phil: 8/17/2013 2:24:11 PM
    Well, let's look at the definition of Non-Interventionism. [quote]Non-interventionism is a foreign policy which holds that political rulers should avoid alliances with other nations, but still retain diplomacy, and avoid all wars not related to direct self-defense.[/quote] Now, I'm only speaking in practical terms as it relates to the U.S. Now, most people don't realize that the military does indeed affect not just our economy, but the global economy. The U.S. navy maintains the EEZ's and trade routes of the world (i.e. Red Sea, Persian Gulf, South China Sea, etc..) there are plenty of variables which could deter these trade routes and the worlds economy would suffer. Second, there's a reason we command trade. It's not only our consumer rate, it's also our foreign policy. We can have all these trade agreements with allies because they're our allies. And becoming a military ally is one of the strongest diplomatic agreements and tools a state and have. And of course that will determine the level of trade between the two. In a non-interventionist U.S. would mean a massive downsizing in the military and the closure of all U.S. bases abroad. So at we would have little to no diplomatic leverage at this point. Finally, as I stated before, it's a harsh, age old tactic, but "intervening" can help our nation with careful planning and precise strategy. The U.S. does not simply invade and intervene for no reason, there is [i]always[/i] a hidden reason. Whether it's a long term or short term result, we wouldn't know. It can range from an economic boost, to resource security, to ally building. So if we [i]did[/i] implement a non-interventionist policy, it's very likely the current big traders would be "turned off" by the concept of heavy trading with a basic economy as ours would be. Which would basically end up being a watered down isolationist state.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • That's exactly what we have been doing, and policing the world. We're NOT furthering our power, we're furthering our presence of force which only harms us in the end. Globalization CAN be a good thing, but we're not doing that AT ALL. We're having the opposite effect. We will never make it to a type one society, we're going to kill ourselves off because we didn't listen to what the wise men warned us of over 200 years ago. Government is now dangerous and obsolete, clinging to power, and the longer we wait to stop that the harder they will cling to that power and suffocate us while destroying the entire world. We absolutely could be isolationist, and it would be far better if we were. That doesn't mean we can't mutually interact with others. Keyword being MUTUALLY. "Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." -Thomas Jefferson

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Edited by Dr. Phil: 8/7/2013 9:21:23 PM
    We're not taking care of the world. Where are we doing that? Every action has a purpose some short term, some long term. But in the end every action is supposed to benefit US. Globalization is not something you can "do". Globalization is happening. We could not be isolationist. Our resource demands prevent it. If we became isolationists, then we couldn't conduct the same level of trade that we do now. Nor could we use our influence abroad to further ourselves. We'd be insignificant and at the mercy of the rest of the world. The new North American Power would be Canada, and that's saying a lot. And the government is "suffocating" us? Please ease up on the drama. This hardcore tyrannical big bad U.S. government you love to cry about doesn't exist. Didn't OWS already die?

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Aiding and borrowing massively with other countries, fighting false wars and having our hand in nearly everything. We're taking almost NO action that is helping anything. Globalization will not be achieved by a single country, hahah! It will be achieved by a spiritual revolution and when we have evolved mentally to understand what works. We're far from it, as your posts prove. Too many naive people still believe as you do. You still believe we're fighting terrorists, when our government has BECOME the terrorists. We're preventing globalization. We definitely NEED to be isolationists. We can be isolationist and get the resources we need. We'd have more opportunity to trade if we were isolationists as less of the world would hate us and want us dead. Our influence only harms ourselves. We wouldn't be at all insignificant or at anyone's mercy. It's not drama, it's reality. The only dramatic one here is you. The government steals from us and infringes on us at every turn. Our government has been tyrannical for a long time, you're simply too blind to see it. You'd be saying this under Hitler and King George, as many people did in revolutionary times.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • [quote]Globalization will not be achieved by a single country, hahah! [b]It will be achieved by a spiritual revolution[/b] and [b]when we have evolved mentally to understand what works.[/b][/quote] If you didn't want to have a serious discussion, you could have just said it earlier. I'm wasting my time trying to educate people on the proper fundamentals of international relations. Not shoot knowledge at a Mains troll. And if by some miracle you're not a troll, you've come to the point where you're regurgitating what you've been saying the entire time. Which to any IR scholar is foolish nonsense on par with RT. I guess it's my own fault to assume there'd be intelligent people on the mains.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • I do, you're simply incapable of having one. You're wasting your time because you refuse to educate yourself with the truth, which you're unwilling to accept because you've bought blind propaganda. You don't know the proper fundamentals of anything. Wow, now you really lost all credibility. You actually believe in mythical fantasy creatures such as trolls? Lay off the World of Warcraft, squirt. Besides, I was a Dwarf in that game. You've been regurgitating nothing but bogus nonsense. Keep fooling yourself, because the only one not intelligent is you.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Nice try kid.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • you appear to be a kid to have such a primitive thought pattern.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • You've got to put more effort than that, Cammy boy.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Not when debating an incompetent that only embarrasses himself like you're doing. You do my work for me and prove yourself wrong in a cowardly manner. This is just getting sad for you.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Not good enough, cammy.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

  • Indeed, you're not. And if you think calling me that is going to bother me I'm just going to continue laughing at you! HAHA! Lots of my friends call me that.

    Posting in language:

     

    Play nice. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. Cancel Edit Create Fireteam Post

You are not allowed to view this content.
;
preload icon
preload icon
preload icon