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Honestly I think all of the stuff that is going on in the public space industry is a big waste of money, because the bulk of R&D and money is spent on technology that is still based on technology from the beginning years of modern Human space technology. Billion's of dollars spent on making primitive "firecracker" rockets/delivery systems, I think that kind of money should be spent on R&D for spatial distortion (Wormhole's and such)
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  • You do realize there is no way around newtons 3rd law, right? Chemical rockets are the best we have. Are computers jsut a big waste because they have been around for decades? We don't even know if making a worm hole is possible. Let alone if we could travel through it. We're spending a shit load of money on that research anyway. Ever hear of CERN? And the proposed warp drive would need a rocket to use. This isn't a video game where you skip technologies to blow all your money on another one.

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  • Newton's 3rd law wouldn't be broken, because making a wormhole wouldn't break it. Chemical is the best we have at the moment publicly, but there are much better thing's that aren't public, and most likely won't be made public for a very long time. Computers have the law that they will advance faster and faster, I forget what it's called, space technology doesn't have such a law, publicly space technology advances very slowly. A wormhole is and would be a stable thing if it was made by a advanced life-form with the necessary technology. Something's in Nature can't exist due to Nature not being able to manipulate thing's like a advanced life-form can. Yes we are spending a lot of money at CERN, Brookhaven, Las Alamos, Livermore, etc . . A lot of that spending I think is a waste in some cases. A proper warp drive mounted in a proper ship wouldn't need a primitive rocket.

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  • If there was warp drive or FTL technology out there, it wouldn't be public due to the aggressively competitive nature of certain international agencies. Moore's Law is what you're thinking of, but it's starting to reduce in rate, and very, very soon it won't apply anymore at all. Computers will get better, but not with optical computing, DNA computing, quantum computers or another breakthrough technology. Until you understand (and can tell me what you know if it) some of the science between warp drives, or have done university courses on particle physics / quantum physics, you can't really understand just how difficult it would / will be build such a device.

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  • Edited by AnonymousF22: 7/9/2013 4:20:45 AM
    Well I didn't say "warp drive", because of it's heavy connection to Star Trek. Also a warp drive would distort space behind the ship, it wouldn't create a hole in space, it would blow up the space behind the ship like a balloon. We technically have the necessary technology to make such thing's, but people aren't putting the time and money towards the R&D and production of such thing's. The mainstream scientific community tends to look down upon ideas that are to far from what they were thought and that cycle keep's repeating itself. As for the computer stuff, I agree somewhat that Moore's Law will slow down, because of new technology, but I think it will pick up again after companies are used to making such new technology.

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  • Yeah you're just saying "Warp drive" and you don't really know what it is. Read Warp field mechanics 101. It's published publicly on Nasa's site or you can read the wiki. Opening a wormhole intentionally is something we don't even know is possible.

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  • A black hole is a partially formed wormhole, but it isn't a complete wormhole, because Nature isn't capable of properly focusing the needed energy to create a complete wormhole. A black hole forms, because of the death of a sufficient sized star, but most of the energy from the death of a sufficient sized star is lost in the outward movement of energy. And that energy from the death of the sufficient sized star isn't focused properly on the center of where the sufficient sized star was, and result's in a partial wormhole.

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  • Edited by Dragon029: 7/9/2013 5:55:36 AM
    In response to your response to me and this response as well: Saying that it would distort space is cool and all, but [i]how[/i] would you distort space? You can use lasers, extremely fast spinning objects or utilise something like a man-made black hole; but for all of those things, the energy required is beyond imaginable if you want to be able to distort space along a path for lightyears. It's not that the scientific community doesn't like new ideas, it's just that any idea regarding something like a warp drive requires energies beyond our means to produce for the next 50 or so years. As for Moore's Law, the reason it exists is because we keep making transistors smaller. In 2008, the first commercially available 45nm processor was made; this means that it's smallest circuits have a width of 45 nanometres; around about 176 atoms wide. Currently the the best we have today is 22nm / 86 atoms wide. Intel's current roadmap plots that by 2019, they'll finally be able to cut that down to 10nm and then maybe in the 2020's, if they don't have a better technology, they might be able to go to 5nm. What that means is that over the rest of this decade, we're going to see Intel and other hardware manufacturers attempting to increase speeds via tricks and increases in efficiency, rather than fitting more transistors, etc on the chip. And what that means, is that basically we're not going to see processing power double every 18 months. Literally, before you turn 30, there's a very high chance that new processors won't be made on silicon any more. ----- As for your second reply (to Y SO REACH BETA); speaking of wormholes; keep in mind that wormholes are quite theoretical. Also, "A black hole forms, because of the death of a sufficient sized star, but most of the energy from the death of a sufficient sized star is lost in the outward movement of energy." - what kind of energy are you trying to describe here? Kinetically, pretty much nothing is lost from a black hole. The radiation that does theoretically escape is miniscule / negligible in any reasonable timeline. A wormhole is something that joins to regions of space. A black hole is believed to be a singularity or something extremely close. It is only really theorised that if a black hole is spinning at high enough speeds (which, makes sense as per conservation of angular momentum, but may not apply if a black hole's core is a true singularity), then the mass or singularity may form a disk or ring, through which space is so distorted that... well who knows? When a star collapses in a supernova, to form a black hole, the black hole originates at the centre of the star, where compression forces from the fusion reactions taking place around the rest of the star exceed the expansive forces originating from the core. During this supernova, a vast quantity of mass and energy is lost, but this isn't relevant to our discussion, because in the centre of most galaxies, there are (or should be) super massive black holes.

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