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6/7/2013 6:50:59 PM
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Halfway through and BAM- The Flood: Destiny Implications

In Halo: CE, halfway through the game you encounter the Flood for the first time. This is undoubtedly one of the greatest revelations in gaming history, regardless of how you feel about Halo, Bungie, or the Xbox. This revelation struck gamers, reviewers, everyone that came across it. Today we live in a world where gaming and gaming news is a lot more accessible. Reviewers get copies of the games early, and France has a habit of leaking Bungie's games early. Days before release, we'll undoubtedly have to avoid the forums and internet as a whole if you wish to go in near blind. Bungie/ Activision will also need to hype this game tremendously considering their goals for this franchise, and we can only hope they don't give away too much. What am I getting at? Well you see, in Destiny I see a new beginning for Bungie as I'm sure many of you do, but I also see the potential to relive past glories. Bungie did something RIGHT when they revealed the Flood. They didn't turn a friend into a villain with it (I mean, 343's turn on you was great and overlooked, but he wasn't a 'true' villain... I'll get into it shortly). They didn't have your character suddenly get shot or ambushed or imprisoned (mind you when Fable did it in 2004 it was the most brilliant thing they could have done since it actually fit the plot perfectly), and the game did not get that huge twist revealed before the world got to see it firsthand. There was nothing cliche, at the time, about encountering a surprising alien race. Sure we have movies where unsuspecting researchers or adventurers find hostile aliens or head crabs, but nothing like the Flood's reveal ever manifested so brilliantly. Quickly, via Sgt. Johnson, Mendoza, and of course Jenkins, we establish characters that seem more fleshed out than even folks like Kat in Halo: Reach, or Miranda from Halo 2-3. Why? Probably just the fact that the scenarios they found themselves in weren't one-dimensional. A quick discussion about their music that didn't seem forced, but was slightly funny, mystery of entering the room, then their final moments (well, not for Johnson!). This was all done in a believable manner. Shortly after this revelation, we are piled on with one more. Now, this revelation didn't just shock us and become a momentary 'scare' or 'shock.' No. When Cortana had 343 reveal what the Halos' true purpose was, that DEFINED the series for the next decade. The possibility of the weapons you almost activated almost coming to life and wiping out all of humanity set what the Halo series was about through Halo 3. This is an overshadowed plot twist. We all remember the Flood, but few people call the Halo-Revelation a plot twist worthy of note. I believe this is because since that plot twist became so defining to the series and made [i]so much logical sense given the circumstances[/i], gamers just accepted it. You were about to wipe out the last plot twist and save humanity- hurray. Then... oh shit, doing that is the worst thing you could possibly do. It just [i]fits[/i], you know? So finally, after all these paragraphs, what am I REALLY getting at? Just this: Destiny needs that. We need something defining, something seen as a great act of story telling. Not some character we are supposed to care about dying. Not some friend turning bad that we didn't see coming. No. We need something completely new, completely revolutionary in terms of storytelling. We need something that just cannot be compared to anything else that has been done to make us go, 'Wooooooowwwwwwwwww now I really want to stay in this universe.' We need... another Flood/Halo Revelation. How can Bungie do that? I have no idea. If I did, then it wouldn't work anyway. To make this story great, I don't think it's enough that we all want to keep coming back here. I don't think it's enough that there's some over-arching enemy like the Lich King or Deathwing from WoW. No- we need something that none of us saw coming. This is a matter of storytelling. To be the next Star Wars, a game without something as revolutionary or defining as the moment the Flood was revealed and the Halo was revealed to be a dangerous weapon has no chance. Only through a masterful stroke of storywriting will players want to stay in this world and want to find out what happens next. We don't need a, 'Sir, finishing this fight.' We don't need a, 'OMG Aliens!' again. We don't need a cliche. And we don't need something like Bioshock Infinite where it is too confusing to be truly appreciated by most people (I still don't understand it completely, and that's a problem that this is the case even after online research). What we need is something new, something we instantly accept as an audience, something jaw-breaking, and something nobody has seen before. A masterful stroke of storytelling the likes of which we have not seen from Bungie since Halo: CE (does Bungie have great writers? Yes. But it is no shame to be unable to meet those two moment in sequel games... it was an impossible goal). This is a new world and Bungie has a chance to forge this story into something extravagant. That means nothing seen before. And no, 'To War' line from Halo 3. Get that stuff out of here! Twas quite the facepalm moment :P These were my rambling thoughts on what Destiny's story needs. I welcome the thoughts of you all too.

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  • Destiny needs some kind of Mexican food. Something that everyone likes... something that is well known... something representing the strength and unity of this community... I know. Taco Launcher 3000. I am a genius. Bunge giv me all da moneyz.

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  • If it's going to be something that shocks players across the server, I imagine something that changes the spirit of gameplay in Destiny. In a single player campaign, players by themselves can be emotionally affected by a twist of fate, but what can be done to affect [b]entire servers of players all interacting in a single, grand world[/b]? If Bungie has an answer, we will find out soon enough. It is a profoundly awesome question to ask, though. I have an idea to share as an answer. Bungie has stated that our campaign in Destiny is heroic, hopeful, and what we do will affect the world we live in. [i]What if what we [b]didn't[/b] do affected it as well?[/i] What if it were possible to [b]fail[/b] and have there be [b]true, persistent consequences[/b] for a shortcoming? What would the player community think of an event such as that occurring? You can have missions that are building into an eventual canonical end of the game's campaign for your character, yet, for the peripheral events that may even simply be occurring by standard A.I. aggression, could unanticipated things happen without appropriate interruption? The video game [i]Defiance[/i] will have events that tie-in to the show, but will the events persist or have permanent impacts on the world the players participate in? Who knows, but the game developers are probably responsible for coding in all the changes via patches. I can only wonder if Destiny will work the same way for my evil, evil little plan below, considering that buildings themselves probably cannot be destroyed without making them already destroyed with the architecture methodology Bungie is using. I could think of an [i]artful[/i] contrivance of a scenario Bungie could plan out to make this idea of consequence vividly and (perhaps) painfully clear to the Destiny-playing community. You take a civilian-inhabited settlement, with sympathetic and relateable NPCs among them trying to make a life for themselves (can you tell how cruel this example is going to be, yet?), somewhere amidst the wild that is also inhabited at the time by a number of guardians who have interacted with the populace, and force an infinite and fast-flowing spawn of enemies of any race that makes sense to attack that settlement. The fast-flowing and infinite part is important. To make the occasion as dramatic as possible, make it something like a three-front battle situation, like Star Wars movies of old. Perhaps a space armada positioning for an orbital bombardment, an air/ground battle at the outskirts of the settlement, and a fateful duel of guns against an elite (and invincible?) saboteur team within the town's reactor facility... or something of that nature. All fronts would be threatening to destroy the settlement! If the guardians can keep them at bay, Bungie is doing it wrong; if the few guardians there call back-up and it's enough, still doing it wrong; if the entire available and attentive resource of players cannot stop the settlement from being infiltrated, the settlers cut down (men, women, [b]children[/b], gone forever), and/or the edifices glassed and burnt to the ground, that would send a vivid message about what this game is capable of... that Bungie's new world is not going to take it easy and wait around for you to simply conquer it. If you are going to push it, it will push [b]back[/b]. Reception will be the most difficult challenge in presenting such an experience, especially with the zealous, attentive, and perceptive fans that Bungie has. Many may notice such a contrived scenario as "too much like something out of Star Wars" (they'd be right for my example, because it WAS), "a doomed scenario we could not be expected to win" (also a true statement) and then "against what Bungie promised", citing Bungie's ideals of hope for the game (to which my example scenario is clearly in contradiction by being futile in the most dramatic way possible). Unfortunately, I can't expect to please a crowd that would focus more on the "winnability" of their experience than focusing on implications to be derived by the fact that the game [b]actually beat[/b] the players at something. Perhaps the deliberately forced nature of the idea is also over the top and makes itself fairly obvious as something the game cannot do by itself. Perhaps there is a more subtle, but impacting way to show the players that mistakes can be made. (Yes, I am thinking as I currently type.) I could imagine that some visionary in Bungie could figure out the best thing to do without going overboard in the eyes of too many people. Perhaps set something in motion within the A.I. factions' motivations and priorities that simply becomes a perfect storm of an incident someplace in the world, even as guardians notice it happening over time but simply cannot fight it back. This sort of manipulation would be hard to detect due to the subtle method of a simple redirection. It would be like the switching of a bishop with a queen, a specific lie being told in a political gambit, or the pulling of the last Jenga piece before the inevitable collapse. This probably isn't even the only other idea possible for this sort of presentation, but the effects on the players aware of the failure mechanic would nonetheless enhance the experience, especially in terms of emotional immersion. I would be thrilled for them to make it so every time a you, as a player, witness unusual behavior and movement of a faction thereafter, you shall think "I've got a bad feeling about this." And Qui-Gon will say "I don't sense anything, derp!" And you will say, "It's not about the mission at hand, master; it's something elsewhere... elusive". And while Qui-Gon is telling you to live in the now, you will already be on the global chat/hub/whatever and asking if anyone else is witnessing strange faction movements in relation to the context of your own observations. The game will become a massive cooperative operation the likes of which only EVE Online has ever seen... and THAT player base is still divided into pirates and separate corporations, while Destiny will be all of us united as one! (DAMN IT, I want it to be Monday evening already!)

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    • To sum up what he said: "Destiny needs a good story twist"

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    • What is this about before i read this long ass thing?

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    • thats a really long rant.

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    • floof was with halo and bungie sold halo pls check the link

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      • I am also curious what will become the next plot device (Mass effect had the Reapers, Halo had the Flood, etc).

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      • [i]The Glimmer[/i]

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        • Edited by StarkExpanse: 6/8/2013 11:45:27 PM
          Twist: The Traveler is a Didact cryptum and Destiny was in the Halo universe the whole time! :P

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          • They probably already have done something like this, the traveler might be their plot twist, so much is still unknown about it and its origins.

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          • It would be great if Bungie really pushed gaming forward by showing that they're not afraid to make destiny seem bleak at times. That's what will make us emotionally attached. I think the defeat idea is great. I think we should have a good chance of losing if we're not on our toes. Imagine a fleet you brought to defeat the enemy in space is losing and you watch ships around you blow up like fireworks and you know that unless you do something quick, you will lose. Sort of like spock's simulation in Star Trek. There should be some impossible battles to win because that's the only way to make the danger feel tangible. Another thing is having AI you knew pretty well die, not in some dramatic death, in a realistic way. A shot to the head, perhaps. This makes us know that we have to fight hard to get that destiny we want. I think that this sort of game type is inevitable, and I want the hope that destiny is based on to always be in a struggle with despair. That is essentially what will make destiny a legendary game, a game remembered by all

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          • Your ideas are good. I'm not convinced that there will be a Destiny 2. I think DLC will win that race. With the massive amount of hardware upgrades and servers going to be at their disposal, additional content makes more sense. Halo was certainly no luck of the draw. FPS's were already around. The concept of alien race out to annihilate humanity wasn't even new. Rampant parasites? Nope. So what was it? My opinion only, Tying it all together. It was the fact that they as a whole at Bungie have a passion for gaming and an attention to detail and a great sense of adventure and a brilliant way to express it. I think you will have more moments then you can count.

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            • What if we lost the Last City?

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              • you may not have an idea as to how Destiny might pull off something like that, but I certainly had an inkling just now! Ok, Here is how Destiny's "big secret thing" could play out. You play the majority of the game, about 80% of it to be precise. Then, subtly, you start to catch wind of something secret and deadly (the big secret thing) and you start to find reports of sightings and strange occurrences. Then, second to last mission, The entire mission is devoted to finding something, some kind of big Foreshadowing device that pretty almost guarantees that something secret is stirring out there. Then, Destiny ends with absolutely 0 encounters with "the big secret thing" HOWEVER when the Sequel to Destiny comes out, The entire first half of the game is completely silent about the "big secret thing", then, halfway through, the eerie feeling starts to set in and then BAM, you finally encounter the thing that you have been hearing about since Destiny 1! Then you spend the remainder of the game dealing with it and combating it (if its an entity that you can combat). that would be the best way, in my opinion, to have another "Flood" moment in Destiny. The storytelling would be incredible and it certainly has the room for creativity in Delivery. But Destiny does need a "Flood moment". It needs to be subtle, and it needs to be wonderful. Just like the Reveal of the Flood, it needs to be unexpected.

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                • what if in destiny the vex aren't really out to kill humankind as a whole, but to stop the guardians from doing something that will kill mankind completely? the vex just brought cabal, and the fallen along. also the glimmer are actually out to help us and the traveler was actually the evil one who all most killed mankind?

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                • The idea of new... I'd say the best shock so far could be to have the 3rd or 4th level contain a secret transworp that sends you into an interdimensional warp system that transports you into an area where a vuage voice warns you of the parasite then you hear crunching.

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                • What a load of uneducated bologna. OP is such a dork. You mean some earth-shattering twist like the lame ending of Halo: Reach? Chyah, saw that one coming a mile away, they gave it away that one trailer. The beginning is the end? Really original, bungee, way to go. Good thread, can't wait to experience the Frontier.

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                  • Novel thread.

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                  • InB4 The Traveler worked for the invading alien races then took pity on Humanity and helped them.

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                  • Edited by Arbiter 739: 6/8/2013 12:51:29 PM
                    I just had a sudden realization. What if Bungie saves this for later down the line, like in a server update. They could totally do that and they've gotten better at hiding stuff within their games after Halo 3 (just look at Reach)... It could be done. Just imagine it, you've been playing Destiny for around a week or a month, perhaps three months, and then BAM. Something happened and is blamed on a failure of the players. The entire pace of the combat changes because of an unexpected addition. The biggest twist I could personally think of is have a designated safe zone become a combat zone while players are still inside. There could of course be failsafes to keep players from loosing their stuff, but it would be unexpected and an invasion of their personal space. They could do it, they have the skill and the infrastructure in place.

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                    • is Bungie creating some sort of Tron world?

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                      • [quote]something jaw-breaking[/quote] But I like my jaw.

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                      • We make our own story. Unbeknownst to my friends, I plan to consume their flesh at some arbitrary interval of time to add their strength to my own; most likely before we face a greater enemy, and I want to come out alive. Just, uh..don't tell them.

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                      • I know what it is. It's #SqueakySheep :)

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                      • Edited by Nope: 6/8/2013 5:21:07 AM
                        I'm actually hoping they don't try. That moment. Was. Glorious. Suddenly, for the game to change like that? Brilliant. Like you stated, many have tried since and none have got close. I think as gamers, we're now too desensitised to these types of mechanics. I'm sure Destiny will be an incredibly immersive world - I'm hoping it tells an incredibly immersive story. I'm thinking about the stories in Red Dead Redemption and Spec Ops: The Line, and even Max Payne III. I want the introduction of the Glimmer to be great, and I want it to MEAN something to me. I'm thinking about the build up to the introductions of The Dominion in DS9, and the Reaper invasion of Earth in Mass Effect 3.

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                      • I'm thinking something along the lines of the Glimmer being revealed as Edward Cullen and his shininess destroyed the human race. He is now known only as "The Glimmer."

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