originally posted in:Secular Sevens
My thoughts?
Why should we care, and why does this matter? Especially when the last paragraph says another study finds that it both hetero and homo relationships have equal happiness, that it doesn't even matter the gender of the people in them.
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I think we should care because it can tell us that gender roles aren't something that are inherently good for relationships. Many people still place too much importance on gender roles and their continued perpetuation can have many other negative side-effects.
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Edited by Coup de Grace: 5/27/2013 1:04:18 PMAll relationships are different, and to base decisions in your relationship off of a statistical study is ludicrous.
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Edited by Ryan: 5/27/2013 1:10:07 PMThe point was that in same-sex relationships couples have to actually discuss what they want from each other since they can't really follow gender roles which is better for both parties. Often time though this doesn't occur in straight relationships since people already feel they have to follow certain roles for better or for worse. Besides if the study is conducted well, it is silly to simply dismiss it.
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I don't mean to sound like I'm completely refuting what you say, but most of this article sounds like they're just looking for reasons why gay relationships are better than straight ones. Which is funny, because, excuse me if I'm wrong, don't they start the article with saying that same-sex marriage can help strengthen heterosexual marriage?
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The next paragraphs says that "that same-sex couples can demonstrate more effective ways of negotiating and dividing up household responsibilities" which I think is the main point which is explained by the lack of gender roles in same-sex relationships. No one is saying they are inherently better but same-sex couples are just much less influenced by gender roles than many heterosexual couples.
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Which, in their opinion, is better, and helps heterosexual relationships?
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Edited by Ryan: 5/27/2013 1:47:06 PMWell yeah. You can't actually be trying to dispute that having to discuss with your partner what roles each of you should fit into doesn't help all relationships?
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I can, actually, because all relationships are different. But I'm not, no. I'm saying that they're implying that heterosexual relationships are naturally crippled in that area.
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Well I should say that most benefit which I think is pretty obvious and silly to dispute. If people discuss it and actually end up following the natural gender roles more power to them, but the discussion didn't actually hurt them.
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You think that people don't normally discuss which role each person will play in taking care of the house, etc?
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Not if they adhere to gender roles without forethought.
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Which is a flawed relationship to begin with. What you're saying is that flawed relationships are flawed, which should be obvious.
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But it isn't obvious for many, which is my point. Many people just sort of assume that traditional gender roles are the default/only option when in relationships.
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Edited by Coup de Grace: 5/27/2013 3:10:57 PMI'm not sure whether you're trying to convince people gay marriage is helpful or you're trying to show them that they're relationships is potentially flawed. On a side note: Does this seem like a drawn-out argument to you? We've got a good number of posts, but I don't feel like we're really arguing yet. Would you rather drop it here, or are we good?