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originally posted in: Is Europe Worth It?
5/25/2013 7:50:26 PM
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Europe should focus on beefing up their own militaries instead of relying on America under the banner of NATO. America has to start shifting its military focus to the Pacific to try and contain China and prevent them from becoming a superpower.
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  • Because that's a bad thing, am I right? /sarcasm

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  • I think the whole WWIII with China and America is overhyped, c'mon seriously it would be counter-productive if both sides went to war....basically everything will be affected. IMHO its more of a political pissing contest

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  • Edited by Ninja Guardian: 5/25/2013 7:56:51 PM
    The world can only be stable with one superpower. If you have competing superpowers you'll get a situation like the Cold War. Sure China is America's largest trade partner and vice versa, but if China becomes a superpower, it would be a very uneasy relationship between the two powers with China knowing they can take on America and vice versa. Would you rather have America be the world's superpower, or China to be the world's superpower.

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  • I'd rather we didn't have radical extremists in both groups who are hell bent that the 'enemy' is trying to get them. Furthermore, what distinguishes a power from a superpower? I'd class China as a superpower already...

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  • China isn't a superpower because they don't have a large amount of people emigrating to China (they have a large amount of people immigrating away from China). They're also unable to land troops in nations far away unlike America because of their lacking Navy. Another factor is that they don't have many military allies besides North Korea (which they are trying to distance themselves from) and a few middle eastern nations such as Syria (currently in a civil war) and Iran. Compared to America which has plenty of military allies thanks to NATO. I could see China surpassing America's status as the top economic power, but the becoming the world's top Military power? Not a chance because America knows what happens when there's more than one superpower.

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  • You define a superpower status based on military alone? Their power of their foreign policy easily propels them to the level of the United States. You're forgetting that China holds key positions in the UN Security Council and also has powerful allies such as Russia and India as well as many countries in ASEAN (with the possible exception of Japan due to the South China Sea dispute). But I digress, there doesn't have to be any problem with two superpowers.

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  • [quote]Their power of their foreign policy easily propels them to the level of the United States. [/quote] That's hardy true. While China holds a great deal of power in the United Nations through it's UNSC veto, I'd hardly classify them as a 'superpower' Instead, it is more apt call them a geopolitical power, where, through a combination of resources at its disposal, it is has become an influential player in its immediate region. Furthermore, even though it has significant economic ties in every inhabited continent, the lack of [url=http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/04/29/what_china_and_russia_don_t_get_about_soft_power]soft power[/url] has undermined its global pursuits. The United States has created an intricate network of bases through its robust diplomatic corps. A similar fate occurred to Japan as its economy grew exponentially in the 1980s, where the lack of being able to project itself globally resulted in it never truly taking its place in the club of international giants. Of course, the issues facing Japan were different than the ones facing China today. Japan was held back by isolationist tendencies that have been innate in the country since the end of World War Two. China is having trouble striking out deals to establish military bases. Outside of the Pacific, the only Chinese base abroad will Seychelles. an island nation off the coast of Africa. [quote]and also has powerful allies such as Russia and India as well as many countries in ASEAN (with the possible exception of Japan due to the South China Sea dispute).[/quote] That's not true, dude. China and India are major geopolitical [url=http://www.dw.de/china-and-india-from-brothers-to-enemies/a-16278334]rivals[/url], and the Chinese and Russians haven't been allies since the collapse of Sino-Soviet pact in the 1960s. As for ASEAN, America has more ties with its member-nations than China (FYI Japan isn't apart of ASEAN). [QUOTE]But I digress, there doesn't have to be any problem with two superpowers.[/quote] The existence of any two or more superpowers will result in a strategic competition between the two for supremacy, that's just a fact. The more powerful China becomes, the more likely it is to be aggressive in its foreign policy, especially on territorial issues. Unlike Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, or the majority of Pacific nations, China isn't content with the status quo.

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  • A military does matter, its intimidation. Why do you think the USAF always has training exercises close to the DMZ? China's only allies are economic allies while America has many economic and military allies which would gladly back America up. The Security Council has China, but it also has France, England, and America. The only reason why Security Council resolutions never pass is because of China and Russia. America is also trying to increase relations with India. There would still be issues with multiple superpowers. I would rather have America be the superpower rather than have China and America have an uneasy and uncertain relationship because they both know they could take each other on in war. Right now, its best to try and intimidate China militarily and to contain them by shifting our resources to the Pacific. If there were multiple superpowers, the likelihood of a major war happening would increase and I could see a WWI scenario happening because of the inevitable formation of alliances if China becomes a superpower. Also, you should watch this video. It explains why China won't become a superpower. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG225dz89TY

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