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originally posted in: Are forced miscarriages murder?
5/10/2013 9:12:28 PM
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What? Miscarriage force is murder Abortion force is assault abuse and sexual assault and removal of free will, enslavery, -blam!-, sexual molestation degradation, sexual degradation, very strong sexual violence It's not murder because it's just a sphere constructed out of nucleotides before 3 months It's like loosing skin cells or swatting a fly.
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  • What's so special about the three month point that turns "just a sphere constructed out of nucleotides", analogous to "skin cells" and "flies" (all your words) into a human being that deserves protection under the law? I mean, aren't we all just giant masses of nucleotides ourselves out here?

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  • It's called foetal development. It has been scientifically proven that a baby gains its consciousness at the age of three months in the womb. Consciousness is what defines a human If you are brain dead, no brain activity at all, kept alive on a machine with breathing aparatus that pumps your lungs for you, people to bend your muscles, tubes for your faeces and urine etc. You should let them pull the plug because it is kinder than letting them suffer It really is not conscious before that point The alterantive is that we set no limit and then 14 year olds would be forced to have children and the detriment of the mother is not worth the life of the baby because human suffering should never ever occur Abortion is not murder

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  • Wait. You got it. If you leave a brain-dead person alone for three months, you're probably not going to see a change in his brain activity. If you leave an embryo alone for the same three months, it [i]gains[/i] that activity. There is a change. And obviously it works consistently enough for the billions of people on this planet who came before us and are currently living and being born with us. So we can scientifically prove that gaining consciousness is not an anomaly or abnormality. It happens, by that same process, [i]foetal development[/i]. So you really can't call babies brain-dead and call for them to be put out of their misery just because they haven't developed enough. That's like setting algebra before a six-month old and declaring him mentally retarded because he can't do it. He hasn't developed enough to understand it, but that intrinsically does not make him any less of a human being. The same way with your unborn child and abortion. Just because it hasn't yet hit a threshold that it at some point in the future [i]will[/i] should not disqualify it from continued existence [i]before[/i] it hits that threshold.

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