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originally posted in: Are forced miscarriages murder?
5/10/2013 6:39:09 PM
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All you dumb liberals fell into the trap perfectly. You all think it's only right if the WOMAN makes the decision to kill her baby, because then it's not murder. Yeah ok. Just like how if somebody kills you it's wrong, but if you kill yourself it's not wrong? Oh wait it's not the same because you're choosing to kill your own baby, suddenly then it's the only right reason. Why? Just because the baby is blood related and "yours", it gives you the right to kill it? No, that fetus is it's own person, you got pregnant you lazy liberal now take care of that life you just brought into this world and stop collecting money from the gov't
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  • A zygote isn't a person bud. I'm against abortion at later stages, but why should it be illegal when the embryo isn't even developed? I'm not saying I WANT women to do this, but it should be their choice.

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  • You do know that unwanted pregnancies that turn into unwanted babies may end up in adoption programs that are funded by...the government. And also, THE GOVERNMENT ends up having to pay for the accidental baby through welfare and crap any way if the person can't afford to take care of the child. So, yeah!

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  • Just another reason to end that bogus nonsense.

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  • Welfare and adoption programs?

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  • Definitely welfare, adoption programs shouldn't involve government, though.

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  • Do you think it is fair that a child be born into a loveless home where they aren't wanted and can't be taken care of?

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  • you need to calm down dude, take all that pent up frustration to /pol/ or something

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  • So you're an idiot that does this to everyone? I'm glad I've confirmed it now.

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  • Edited by Random: 5/11/2013 12:45:43 AM
    Nah, just a coincidence. Try again dude. Might want to lay off the call everyone idiots and try to be taken seriously schtick too, it ain't working.

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  • I'm apathetic to whether or not you or anyone takes me serious. I don't wish to make a convert or friends, I simply wish to debate and possibly inform anyone listening. If I call someone an idiot it's justified from past experiences or the contents within their post.

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  • You do realize that the people who get abortions tend to be the uneducated and conservative? It is NOT murder to abort a fetus. However, when a fetus is not intended to be aborted, the parents and family would mourn it's loss equally to a real child. That is how it equates to a murder. There is a case to be made for certain stages in development, but lets not bother going there.

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  • But didn't you know, as long as you didn't actually see the baby or touch it, it's ok to kill it? I mean, screw having responsibility and understanding how important sexual relations and life is. Remember, if bacteria, ya, just living bacteria was found on another planet, wars would happen to keep it alive, but conception, the beginning of a new human life means nothing.

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  • I don't think you understand how big finding bacteria found on another planet actually is. It is unconditional proof that we aren't alone in this universe. And what you're also not getting is "when does a human life start" is also subjective. Yes at conceptions the cells present have 46 chromosomes and are respiring and all that crap. But so are the cells found on my ass. And why does a a human life still in development take importance over a women's life?

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  • It amazes me how you are ok with and still trying to justify killing another person as if it's ok.

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  • That's just it. A fetus (In the first trimester particularly) isn't another person. It's developing into one but it isn't one. And I see the women's life as more important.

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  • Wow these generalisations. I sense a slight bit of butthurt here.

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