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5/2/2013 5:32:13 AM
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Hmm, I need a new lightbulb. Let's see, I can get a 5 pack for a buck or one CFL for three bucks. Here's my theory. Pretty much since Y2K, we've been hearing tons and tons of "doomsday" stuff, from "we're out of oil by 2007" to "Planet X is going to smash into us on Dec 21, 2012". I think it's just gotten to the point where some people have just tuned out all the "Earth is doomed" and "save the planet" stuff we hear practically every day. I think it's more along the line of "should I buy a bag of Lays or the superhealthy gluten free chips? Ah, -blam!- it, the Lays aren't going to kill me, and they're cheaper."
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  • >Lays They're called Walkers you American scum.

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  • But it says they were more likely to buy the environmentally friendly lightbulbs when they were unlabeled, so it's not all based on pricing.

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  • [quote]I think it's more along the line of "should I buy a bag of Lays or the superhealthy gluten free chips? Ah, -blam!- it, the Lays aren't going to kill me, and they're cheaper."[/quote]That's actually a really good analogy, because it shows how people only care about themselves and not how their actions are going to affect the world for their children and grandchildren.

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  • Right. Because environmentalists are so altruistic and not at all concerned with themselves . . . [quote]This isn't an "expression of ideas contrary to [my] own belief." This is demonstrable action (part of a larger pattern of similar action) [u]that has adverse effects on me[/u] and the Earth as a whole. [/quote]Me-first attitude on full display and perfectly illustrated by OP. Checkmate.

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  • Edited by dazarobbo: 5/2/2013 11:56:29 PM
    The difference here is that the person stuffing their face with chips is making the decision to do so and affecting themselves. In the statement you've quoted, the OP is referring to how others are making decisions which are subsequently affecting everyone and on a much larger scale.

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  • [quote]The difference here is that the person stuffing their face with chips is making the decision to do so and affecting themselves. [/quote]It is? But earlier you said: [quote]That's actually a really good analogy, because it shows how people only care about themselves and not how their actions are going to affect the world for their children and grandchildren.[/quote]So is the chip-eating affecting the children or not? Which is it?

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  • Yes because buying a light bulb is going to effect my grandchildren.

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  • I realise this may be difficult for you, but think in terms of scale. What's going to happen if everyone stops buying regular bulbs and switches to environmentally-friendly bulbs?

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  • Thats the thing. They arent actually environmentally friendly. Theyre harder to recycle that regular light bulbs.

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  • Harder in terms of what exactly?

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  • Apparently the mercury they have in them make them harder to recycle.

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  • Apparently [url=http://www2.epa.gov/cfl/what-are-connections-between-mercury-and-cfls]only if they're improperly disposed of[/url]. Also interesting to note on that site that using CFL bulbs decreases the amount of mercury released (via electricity consumption).

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  • Right. And how well do you think the average person is going to dispose of CFLs? They get tossed in the trash like everything else.

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