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Let me just start this off by saying I am a Christian. Possible arguments people in favor of gay marriage may bring up 1. Marriage is the bondage of two people, so why can't two men or two women get married? a. Because marriage is NOT simply "the bondage of two people", it is literally defined as the bondage between a man and a woman. 2. Marriage is not a religious practice anymore. a. Many say that marriage is something far from being religious, but they could not be more wrong. Marriage was created by religion, and thus is controlled by religion. Until the church itself decides to make a change, marriage will always be a religious practice. The same thing could be said about Christmas; although most of the nation (non-christians included) celebrate Christmas, it still is a Christian holiday founded upon a nation that was founded upon Christianity itself. 3. Marriage has a lot of legal benefits; it's unfair that homosexuals cannot benefit from these. a. This is the argument I can never understand. Marriages and civil unions can provide two people the same legal benefits; why is it such a challenge for homosexuals to simply develop civil unions? Why is it so important that they need marriage rights?
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  • [quote]The same thing could be said about Christmas; although most of the nation (non-christians included) celebrate Christmas, it still is a Christian holiday founded upon a nation that was founded upon Christianity itself.[/quote] Gay people can legally celebrate Christmas, though.

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  • Edited by Capiton Render: 4/30/2013 1:11:46 PM
    Marriage predates all written history, therefore it predates religions, therefore, it is not a religious construct, but a social contract, meant to increase tribes for survival chances, come at me bro, thats all fact.

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  • Not saying you are wrong, but if you're going to talk like that you really should have some sources bro.

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  • Why would i need sources, this is common knowledge taught in world history courses, it isnt a study. Seriously, just look up origins of marriage, and ignore religious sites.

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  • 1. Wrong. Marriage is not defined as only the bondage of a man or a woman. 2. Wrong. Marriage was not created by religion and is far from a religious practice anymore. 3. Wrong. They're not the same and don't give the same legal benefits. I don't think I've seen a good argument against gay marriage yet. Most, if not all, arguments against it are just plain wrong.

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  • 1. Yes, it is. 2. Yes, it was 3. Achieving a civil union is infinitely more easy to achieve than marriage from a homosexual standpoint, and do provide the necessary legal benefits for a steady lifestyle. Check your points before you accuse others of being wrong.

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  • 1: Actually, this is where you're wrong. This is the third definition. While the first definition states that you are right, the third definition states that you are wrong. [quote][url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage]Definition of MARRIAGE: 3: an intimate or close union[/url][/quote] 2: Marriage does predates religion. [quote] [url=http://philosophytalk.org/shows/marriage-and-state]Marriage predates religion and political institutions, so why does anyone get to regulate it?[/url][/quote] This quote is from Richard Moher, Professor of Philosophy, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. 3: Gay marriage is not recognized as an actual "marriage" and a "civil union" doesn't provide any of the benefits that married couples have. So, basically, a gay person and their gay spouse get your name on a useless piece of paper that will absolutely do nothing for them since their marriage is not recognized by the government because of assbackwards thinking.

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  • [quote]Marriage predates all written history, therefore it predates religions, therefore, it is not a religious construct, but a social contract, meant to increase tribes for survival chances, come at me bro, thats all fact.[/quote]

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  • Edited by Flee: 4/30/2013 12:57:54 PM
    I'm not even going to bother to go into this much, but: 1. Read international laws. Other than the US supreme court, all of the main international courts have judged that marriage is between two people. Just because you still use an outdated and awfully religious definition, doesn't mean it's the "correct" one. 2. No. Look at Rome for example. Their different forms of marriage that are the foundations of our contemporary marriages had nothing to do with religion. 3. Again: no. Civil unions are not federally enforced and none of state civil unions give the same benefits as a "full" marriage does. No sense talking about this with people who are this blatantly uneducated and closeminded, so I'm gonna be the better and smarter man and walk away from someone who does not even know his facts or refuses to recognize them.

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  • 1) The Christian definition is only one of many. 2) People have been forming pairing bonds together and performing ceremonies to consummate that bond in many different cultures for thousands of years, long before Christianity. Just because America is predominantly Christian does not mean that the Christian way is the 100% correct way. 3) Civil unions can not be the same as marriage. There are states that have civil unions - they still don't have the same rights married couples do. The federal government defines benefits in terms of marriage and does not recognize state unions - so federal benefits like filing taxes jointly, social security widower entitlements, etc. are all not allowed to civil union couples in states where that is legal.

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