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Edited by DeadliestDragon: 4/22/2013 5:09:04 AM
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You have to understand that the university is the brain wash center for liberalism. I'm right there with you though. What is wrong with; 1.) Family Values 2.) Working for a living 3.) Earning your own way 4.) Not living off of the backs of someone else. 5.) Waiting to have sex until you are married to avoid, diseases, heart ache, out of wedlock children, etc. 6.) What is wrong with securing the boarders & defending our country. 7.) What is wrong with avoiding debt and risky investments. 8.) What is wrong about traditional marriage between a man and a woman. 9.) What is wrong about a child growing up in a home with a mother and a father. What is wrong with any of the above mentioned things? These principles have been standard issue for thousands of years in human society, but then all of the sudden in 10 years we are suppose to throw all that out of the window?
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  • "Traditional" marriage wasn't originally catholic.

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  • [quote]1.) Family Values[/quote]Yes, I forgot that Liberals just hate families in general. [quote]2.) Working for a living 3.) Earning your own way 4.) Not living off of the backs of someone else.[/quote]I think it's more of a "there are some things that people deserve, just for being people" rather than "everything should be provided for me." People shouldn't starve to death because they are physically unable to work, but people that have the ability to hold a full-time job shouldn't have everything provided for them anyway. These three points are generalizations that don't really apply to liberalism. [quote]5.) Waiting to have sex until you are married to avoid, diseases, heart ache, out of wedlock children, etc.[/quote]I think the largest basis for abstinence is religion, besides, this kind of thing shouldn't be controlled by the government anyway. [quote]6.) What is wrong with securing the boarders & defending our country.[/quote]Neither side wants a huge influx of illegal immigrants, but they've become such a large part of the economy near the border that simply getting rid of them suddenly might do more harm than good at this point. There is also a difference between defending our country and going out of our way to defend the country and spending way too much to do so. [quote]7.) What is wrong with avoiding debt and risky investments.[/quote]Neither side wants to go into debt, they just have different methods of spending and different methods of reducing debt. One side spends by putting more money into the military than much of the rest of the world combined, while the other wants to fund social programs to increase the quality of life. To reduce the budget, each side wants to cut the spending that the other side supports. [quote]8.) What is wrong about traditional marriage between a man and a woman.[/quote]Nothing. Nobody wants to get rid of traditional marriage, but allowing other forms of marriage to exist isn't going to hurt anyone. The only reason that marriage is defined the way it is now is due to religion, which again, has no place in politics. Married couples currently get certain benefits, those benefits should at least be extended to dedicated couples of all shapes and sizes, rather than the predefined religious example of one man and one woman. [quote]9.) What is wrong about a child growing up in a home with a mother and a father.[/quote]Nothing. However, a child growing up with one parent or two dads or two moms is better than growing up with no parent. Divorce is very common these days, and the divorce rate for Conservative Christians is higher than other groups, including Athiests and agnostics. This could be due to that whole abstinence thing, since sexual compatibility is an important part of a thriving relationship. All of the points you listed are very broad generalizations. Take out the incredibly broad statements that apply to everyone, and you're left with the religious points, which don't have any place in politics. Religion is so deeply ingrained into right-wing politics these days. The biggest reason that universities tend to lean left is because they aren't churches. They also help to expose students to people of all kinds of different nationalities, religious affiliation, and sexual orientation, and they learn that those people deserve the same rights as anyone else.

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  • Edited by DocSmurf: 4/23/2013 8:35:20 PM
    [quote] All of the points you listed are very broad generalizations. Take out the incredibly broad statements that apply to everyone, and you're left with the religious points, which don't have any place in politics. Religion is so deeply ingrained into right-wing politics these days. The biggest reason that universities tend to lean left is because they aren't churches. They also help to expose students to people of all kinds of different nationalities, religious affiliation, and sexual orientation, and they learn that those people deserve the same rights as anyone else [/quote] 10/10 everything wrong with the Op that i now don't have to type.

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  • To be honest you probably should get laid, you seem a bit tense and uptight. It would help you out a lot.

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  • [quote]Waiting to have sex until you are married to avoid, diseases, heart ache, out of wedlock children, etc.[/quote] ... Anyone that believes you can have a true relationship with someone without intimate relations is kidding themselves. The tripod of a relationship is emotional comparability communication and intimacy ( including physical ) Weaken one of those legs or try to operate without one and you are going to fail most of the time. So that stance is complete and utter crap.

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  • [quote]You have to understand that the university is the brain wash center for liberalism. I'm right there with you though. [/quote] Couldnt have said it better myself.

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  • These are all vague concepts that most people would agree with. For example, I support "family values". But I support them for all families. I also support "earning your own way", but I try to balance that with the reality that there simply aren't enough jobs for everyone and that some people have inherent advantages when it comes to getting a job. And your beliefs and values have not been "standard issue" in the thousands of different societies that have existed over thousands of years. Any history class will teach you that, fast.

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  • Edited by BattleAXE: 4/22/2013 3:59:12 PM
    Nothing is wrong with marriage between a man and woman. There is also nothing wrong with marriage between a man and man or a woman and a woman. Same goes for your 9th point Supporting the poor =/= poor people living off someone else. Some people just need a kick starter in life. Some people don't want to get married but want to have sex, simple as. As long as they're over age what's the big deal? And just because something is traditional doesn't mean it can't be changed

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  • Edited by BerzerkCommando: 4/22/2013 5:30:52 PM
    [quote]To avoid, diseases.[/quote] Use condoms and avoid having sex with people that have diseases. Just because you are married to that person doesn't mean you can't get an STD from them. [quote]heart ache.[/quote] You can still get heart ache even if you didn't have sex with them. If you been with someone for so many years and you break up you're going to feel sad. [quote]Out of wedlock children.[/quote] Practice safe sex. Use condoms, pull out, birth control. It's not that hard to use common sense when you're having sex, but you don't want to reproduce from it. [quote]8.) What is wrong about traditional marriage between a man and a woman.[/quote] There's nothing wrong with "traditional marriage" and there's also nothing wrong with gay marriage. At the end of the day a gay married couple is not going to destroy anything. The world is still going to be there and society is still standing. [quote]9.) What is wrong about a child growing up in a home with a mother and a father.[/quote] There's nothing wrong with that and there's nothing wrong with a gay couple having child. A gay couple can just be as good if not better than a straight couple.

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  • Edited by DeadliestDragon: 4/22/2013 3:19:10 PM
    Funny thing is according to the liberal commie democrats all these things are bad now. Remember, a high school turned down Rick Santorum for speaking at their graduation for his "extreme" views on gay marriage. Extreme views? This man believes in traditional marriage and they are now considered extreme? That is my point. So using condoms solves all your problems? Trust me man avoiding unmarried sex will solve ALL problems! Finally, your little comment at the end about how gay parents are better than straight......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA http://blog.heritage.org/2013/03/13/kids-need-a-mom-and-dad-says-openly-gay-adoptive-parent/

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  • Edited by God: 4/22/2013 5:03:08 PM
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    [quote]Funny thing is according to the liberal commie democrats all these things are bad now. Remember, a high school turned down Rick Santorum for speaking at their graduation for his "extreme" views on gay marriage. Extreme views? This man believes in traditional marriage and they are now considered extreme? That is my point.[/quote] No, again you miss the point entirely. Nobody thinks it's bad to have a traditional family, what is extreme is thinking that [i]only[/i] traditional families should be allowed. [quote]So using condoms solves all your problems? Trust me man avoiding unmarried sex will solve ALL problems![/quote] Sex is one of humanities innate instincts, people want to have sex and to convince the majority of the population to abstain like that is just impossible, if you think otherwise you are simply delusional. However, it is pretty easy to get people to use protection, and condoms alone are 99% effective against most STD's and pregnancy. [quote]Finally, your little comment at the end about how gay parents are better than straight......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA http://blog.heritage.org/2013/03/13/kids-need-a-mom-and-dad-says-openly-gay-adoptive-parent/[/quote] L.O.L. I guess years of [url=http://www.bu.edu/today/2013/gay-parents-as-good-as-straight-ones/]actual research[/url] means nothing against a [i]single anecdote[/i] from a blog on the [i]heritage foundation.[/i]

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  • [quote]You have to understand that the university is the brain wash center for liberalism. I'm right there with you though.[/quote]The place where people become educated can make people liberal. Woah.

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  • Funny thing is: The American system has it so if you aren't qualified or have a degree from a prestigious university or any upper education facility, the chances of getting a decent paying job is pretty much zero.

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  • Supply and demand. The more training and or education you have the more valuable you become. How -blam!-ing hard is that to understand? You think the teenager working a call center job should be paid the same amount of money someone that has gone to school for 6-12 years, sacrificed countless hours to study, taken on huge amounts of debt to pay for their education. You think those lazy -blam!-ers that aren't willing to sacrifice should be paid the same. You my friend are a socialist!

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  • [quote]You my friend are a socialist![/quote] If wanting a decent paying blue collar job and access to middle class without having to shoulder life destroying debt and going to a four year college is being a socialist then sign me up.

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  • The problem Methew is you are unable to look more than five minutes down the road. HARD WORK PAYS OFF. SACRIFICE PAYS OFF! Your little blue collar job may pay you a consistent $40-60,000 a year, but is that how much you want to make for the rest of your life. Without more training and further education why should you get paid anymore? I was in school for 8 years. I did an internship for for 3 years. I had $248,000 in debt at one time, and I was making $38,000 a year as an intern. It has been eight years since then and I am now debt free! I make $234,000 a year and will only make more and more from there. In twenty years your blue collar job will net you $1.2 million. In that same amount of time I will have netted $2.3 million. That's with eight of those twenty years in school. The thing about you liberal commie democrats and your socialistic principles, is you think I should GIVE you what I have worked hard to get for free. You feel since I have more I should just GIVE it to you. -blam!- that bullshit. I busted my ass off to get what I have, and it is wrong to take what I have and give it to others that are -blam!-ing lazy and refuse to better themselves. You understand that?

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  • *Begins to type a reply.* [quote]I just want to make sure you liberal commie democrat -blam!-tards undstand though, I do not associate myself with the pussy ass sons of bitch republicans that refuse to stand for these principles, and bend to every whim that King Barack the 1st throws.[/quote] Well, so much for reasonable debate. How the -blam!- did you get off mute again?

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  • Camnator's 6th or 7th alt. I have at least 5 of his alts muted.

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  • Really? I thought Cromy and Camnator were seperate people.

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  • I mean camnator. Cromy is on his like 2nd or 3rd account.

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  • I see you're a coward to more than just myself.

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  • because the rich arent paying high enough taxes. im still making less money than them damnit.

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