No he doesn't because he doesn't exist and neither does God.
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No one can claim that. Neither can they claim that God(s) exist. No one knows except for it/him/her/theirself (ves)
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Implying that therefore God exists. There's a one in infinite chance of their being God which approximates to zero therefore he doesn't exist. Probabality statistics state that. Maths disagrees with you and so does science. Not knowing something and being 100% sure of something are equally good.
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Actually science supports intelligent design. /The More You Know/ Don't believe me? One word. Symbiosis. Still don't? Read [b]any[/b] physiology textbook. It's a helluva lot more likely that we were, in fact, created by something superior to ourselves. What you choose to believe created us is entirely up to you, however.
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-blam!- off you filthy dirty -blam!-ing -blam!-, I hope you die of period pains
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LOOOL You cant debate my point so you feebly attempt to insult me? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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-blam!- you.
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(•‿•) Yessss... Let the butthurt flow through you. <(^-^)>
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It isn't even debatable that Jesus existed. He did. The question is what he actually was.
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[quote]It isn't even debatable that Jesus existed.[/quote]lol ... I think your debate with Mitochondrion kinda disproves your assertion ... you yourself have debated his existence, thus we have proof that it is debatable.
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? Does that mean that its debatable that Julius Caesar was a real person? Or anyone else? Because we have proof that they exist, so clearly it's debatable that they existed. According to your logic, yes.
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True ... choose your words carefully. You posted "[i]It isn't even debatable that Jesus existed[/i]" and then went on to debate the matter ... proving it is debatable. Was not seeking to prove he existed or otherwise, just pointing that by you yourself debating his existence you disproved your own claim (that it couldn't be debated).
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No he doesn't.
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[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus]Yes he does...[/url]
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No he doesn't
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Yes he does.
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[quote]Yes he does.[/quote] No he didn't.
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Edited by HurtfulTurkey: 4/12/2013 7:22:40 PMArgumentum ad nauseam? Saying it over and over doesn't make it true. There's more (nonBiblical) evidence that Jesus existed than Shakespeare Caesar.
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[quote]Argumentum ad nauseam? Saying it over and over doesn't make it true. There's more (nonBiblical) evidence that Jesus existed than Shakespeare Caesar.[/quote] No there isn't. If saying it over and over didn't make it true, then people wouldn't believe that God existed. I'm not sure if that's actual Latin or not.
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Just be aware that what you are saying is directly contradictory to generally accepted history as well as verifiable sources. Now I'm not trying to convince you that Jesus is a supernatural being, but it is frankly just absurd to believe he didn't exist as a man.
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[quote]generally accepted history as well as verifiable sources.[/quote]Accepted and verified by whom ... the same church who's business relies on his existence ?!? Now if you are talking about [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Jesus]the man named Jesus[/url], then yes HE exists and I have seen him play, a miracle in motion.
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Edited by HurtfulTurkey: 4/14/2013 7:48:07 PMTacitus, [i]Christus[/i] Suetonius, [i]Annals 15.44[/i] Julius Africanus. [i]Extant Writings[/i] page 18 Pliny the Younger, [i]Letters[/i] 10:96 Flavius Josephus, [i]Antiquities[/i] [i]The Babylonian Talmud[/i] (declaration of crucifixion) Mara Bar-Serapion Lucian of Samsota [i]The Gospel of Truth Apocryphon of John Gospel of Thomas Treatise on Resurrection[/i] Not to mention the New Testament itself, which is a compilation of eyewitness testimony. Historians agree that such a massive and sudden movement of Christianity could simply not have occurred if Jesus had been a fabrication. Bear in mind that the majority of Israel was destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans and it's incredible that so much evidence (more than other historical figures) survived. You might say Biblical sources are untrustworthy because those people obviously lied, maybe for money or power or something. But the reality is that every single one of them died alone, in poverty, and most of them died from brutal torture. And their followers were met with martyrdom and death as well; Rome worked very hard to stamp out Israel, and failed. The point is that people don't live a life of poverty, servitude, and selflessness for a lie.
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[quote]Just be aware that what you are saying is directly contradictory to generally accepted history as well as verifiable sources. Now I'm not trying to convince you that Jesus is a supernatural being, but it is frankly just absurd to believe he didn't exist as a man.[/quote] Jesus didn't exist. Lots of men have existed throughout history. No one turned water into wine. You need grape juice for that.
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Lol, okay.
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-blam!- you and -blam!- your filthy beliefs you hairy -blam!-.