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Edited by New Radical: 4/11/2013 3:29:27 AM
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"Women and Children First" is a Myth

[quote]We went through a list of over 100 major maritime disasters spanning three centuries to see if we could find data on survival rates of men and women. We ended up with data on 18 shipwrecks, involving 15,000 passengers. In contrast to the Titanic, we found that the survival rate for men is basically double that for women. We only have data on children for a limited number of shipwrecks, but it is evident that they have really bad survival prospects: just 15 per cent.[/quote] [url=http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/discussion/shipwrecked-women-and-children-first]Other interesting reading on the subject[/url] Just though you all should know.
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  • Edited by Ric_Adbur: 4/20/2013 11:13:51 PM
    There is a difference between expectation and what ends up happening despite expectations. Men have always been expected to ensure the survival of women and children before their own survival in hazardous situations; if they still end up surviving anyway, it certainly doesn't disprove that this is an expectation that society has of them, it only proves that they survive in such situations easier, probably due to their inherent strength and temperature regulation advantages over the others.
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    • But isn't that a good thing? Allowing women on first would be an implicit statement that they are weaker and less able to take care of themselves, wouldn't it?
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      • Huh.
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      • [i]"The little people first!"[/i]
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      • [url=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tYPhTu0O7EQ/T5Wps-NTt2I/AAAAAAAAAOE/pXJ3yUIXiCA/s1600/tide_vs_jugg.jpg] WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND KUNKKA FIRST![/url]
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      • I wasn't aware that people actually believed it. I just accepted it as being another one of the many artistic liberties in the Titanic movie.
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          Upon reading Wikipedia for the survival rates aboard the Titanic, it is true in that particular case. More women survived then men, substantially. Same for children, it says 100% of the second class children survived.
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          • Edited by Gojira: 4/11/2013 3:21:34 AM
            Read "First" as "Fist" Implications unpleasant
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          • No it's not. I still have the album / CD.
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            • Before reading the Cambridge piece, I was going to ask if the ratio of men to women and children was historically uneven to lead to these results. That question is answered. Just like on the airplane, we are instructed to put our own oxygen mask on first.
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            • So, what of this? I don't really care or see how this is relevant to . . . well, anything at all.
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            • That's interesting.
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            • Edited by Ryan: 4/11/2013 6:57:01 AM
              It could easily be attributed to the fact that men, and adults are statistically stronger/more able to survive than women and children. I am not necessarily supporting that "Women and children first" isn't a myth, just pointing out a potential flaw in the conclusion. The article also mentioned the crew is more likely to survive than the normal male passenger, obviously, the crew is more likely to be trained/experienced in the event of such disasters...
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              • Well we must have had a lot of cross-dressers and midgets back then now didn't we?
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              • Edited by VerticalGradient: 4/11/2013 3:32:39 AM
                I watched Titanic last night/this morning. Coincidence. I also saw a data chart approximating the number/percentage of people (divided in women, men, children, social class/status on ship) who survived or died after Titanic sank. Of course, not every single person can be accounted for, but it's an interesting sight, you can see it on the Titanic wiki page. I think it's just likely due to the fact that men are generally going to have an advantage in a survival situation at sea. From another view, a woman can only bear a child or two at a time, so from a reproductive/regrowing society standpoint, saving more women than men is sort of logical. And because of that disadvantage, it's possible that men might feel compelled to put their survival over their own.
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                • Maybe because Men swim and survive better then women and children?
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