originally posted in:Secular Sevens
you may not have [b]physical[/b] evidence
things will happen but will you recognize its God's hand ?
oh no its not because the reason this happened was ....
but after a while (for me) it happens so much I say 'it can't be just a coincident" and did not happen like this before I started trusting and having faith in him.
Walk by Faith not by sight.
also helps if you have the Holy Ghost with you. To help guide and direct you.
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Edited by ROBERTO jh: 4/10/2013 11:13:15 PMExplaining things in terms a human can understand is what is referred too in psychology as a defense mechanism. In this case, as with most, the explanation makes things more comfortable for the subject in question, and often creates strong feelings of ease, as if everything is going to be easy. The ease here being not having to think about something because it's all "a part of the plan." Defense mechanisms are always self-imposed delusions to make the reality more comfortable; not once do religious people stop and realize that God, by definition of his infinity in all things (such as Omni benevolence), would be incomprehensible to humans on such a scale that to implement certain characteristics to him or to state one thing is the act of God as a fact merely on a certain arbitrary basis (it's good), while simultaneously saying that "God works in mysterious ways," or the shorter version, his "plan," in regards to negative things in life represents a completely illogical, backwards perspective. Which just so happens to mirror the same kind of irrational thinking of those imposing defense mechanisms upon themselves.
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[quote]things will happen but will you recognize its God's hand ? oh no its not because the reason this happened was ....[/quote] So your choices are... A. Omniscient, omnipotent ruler and creator of the universe just did something for me B. Rare occurrence or luck ...And you choose A?
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It's impossible to prove that a god exists, but it is equally impossible to prove that a god does not exist.
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When things happen and it seems like a coincident but it seems to keep happening and you've prayed for things to run smooth or that things work out yes. If you've seem the things I have you would most likely believe. I ask you now, if there is no God or spirits why do you see so much darkness ? in other words people trying to represent darkness or wicked ? i.e. jay z ? there are two sides of the coin the good and the bad. one of the devil's tricks is to try to convince you he does not exist. if you want the truth ask for it.
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Edited by Winy: 4/10/2013 8:03:17 PM[quote]When things happen and it seems like a coincident but it seems to keep happening and you've prayed for things to run smooth or that things work out yes.[/quote] Those things likely would've happened regardless of whether or not you prayed. There've been studies into the effects of prayers on medical patients before, and in some instances, the patients got [i]worse.[/i] And no, they weren't aware that they were being prayed for. [quote]If you've seem the things I have you would most likely believe.[/quote] We've both seen the same things, but you interpret them differently. [quote]I ask you now, if there is no God or spirits why do you see so much darkness ? in other words people trying to represent darkness or wicked ? i.e. jay z ?[/quote] ...What? How is that evidence for God whatsoever? [quote]there are two sides of the coin the good and the bad. one of the devil's tricks is to try to convince you he does not exist.[/quote] Proof? [quote]if you want the truth ask for it.[/quote] Yes, from reputable, educated sources, not postulated entities in the cosmos.
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I find it funny how you're persistently trying to put down his beliefs, yet you probably try to play the victim when asked if atheists are persecuted.
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you ask for physical proof but why not spiritual ? how can I explain some thing spiritual with physical ?
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[quote]you ask for physical proof but why not spiritual?[/quote] Because that's an oxymoron. [quote]how can I explain some thing spiritual with physical ?[/quote] You don't, because you aren't actually feeling or sensing what you think you are.
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one day you'll understand all of it I just hope it won't be too late.
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[quote]one day you'll understand all of it[/quote] Your mistake is assuming that I don't understand what you're talking about. Thing is, all of the ideas you're presenting, I completely understand, and I use to assume I was under the same influences. You can stop attempting to convince yourself that I just "don't get it."
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you are asking for physical evidence of God to prove he exists right ?
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Not necessarily, you can prove a statement's validity without physical proof. Logical proof would suffice, as well. If you could prove that a deity [i]must[/i] exist, I'd accept what you were saying. But you're going to have a tough time doing that.
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I will leave the choice up to you I you wish to believe or not. My job is to spread the word as I'm told. picture this: here is in invitation to a meeting its optional. do you go or not ? I'll inform you what will you do with the information given to you ?
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[quote]here is in invitation to a meeting its optional. do you go or not ? I'll inform you what will you do with the information given to you ?[/quote] ...I can't understand what you just said.
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I'm giving you information. what will you do with it is up to you.
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Edited by Winy: 4/10/2013 11:04:56 PMPlease try to use a bit of punctuation and better wording when you're trying to debate a concept as serious and thought-provoking as this. I don't see what you're saying still. You're giving me information. What I wish to do with it? Seeing I have a good reason to say you're incorrect, I'm going to, well, disagree with it, obviously.
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Ad hominem attacks aren't a valid argument.
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That wasn't an Ad Hominen. I quite honestly couldn't understand what he was saying, thus I merely asked "Could you try to word your posts better?" I've been arguing against his points the whole debate.
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Ad hominem.
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and you have a right to disagree. its all up to you.
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I going to reply to this when I get back. changing classes see you then.
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The existence of good and evil is hardly conclusive proof of some kind of overarching plan from a greater intelligence. Hell, the standards for what constitutes good and what constitutes evil change not only over time, but between different societies as well.
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yes he's been busy changing things making what's right wrong and wrong right.